Rude, Crude and Vulgar - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T10:53:40Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:142402?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A143366&feed=yes&xn_auth=nojust send Daniel a message. I…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-01:537324:Comment:1441262008-06-01T19:21:25.037Zcarole gillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/PhyllisDietrichson
just send Daniel a message. I drive him nuts sometimes, poor man!<br />
Anyway, I didn't have the REPLY TO THIS--option! so I hit reply for something I had said.<br />
It was probably a glitch of some kind.
just send Daniel a message. I drive him nuts sometimes, poor man!<br />
Anyway, I didn't have the REPLY TO THIS--option! so I hit reply for something I had said.<br />
It was probably a glitch of some kind. Carole, I did get your reply.…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-01:537324:Comment:1441222008-06-01T17:03:54.146ZSusan Whitfieldhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/SusanWhitfield
Carole, I did get your reply. I suppose we need to use names in order for our replies to make sense to others. I do wish the replies were listed latest first. I have to go trekking to read the new posts. Are you out there, Daniel? Is that possible?
Carole, I did get your reply. I suppose we need to use names in order for our replies to make sense to others. I do wish the replies were listed latest first. I have to go trekking to read the new posts. Are you out there, Daniel? Is that possible? this reply thing is a bit mix…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-01:537324:Comment:1441162008-06-01T16:54:08.169Zcarole gillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/PhyllisDietrichson
this reply thing is a bit mixed up, Susan!<br />
so I hope you get my reply to your reply!<br />
Look, I looked at your page--whatever you're doing, you're doing it right! and I mean it's the fourth in the series, so!<br />
I think you can get away with more, showing humor or discomfort, and it's good to use yourself as a guide--what turns you off and so on.<br />
and also, to want to go so deep as to be poignant--that to me is the greatest sort of writing, as everyone (no matter who they are and so on = have feelings…
this reply thing is a bit mixed up, Susan!<br />
so I hope you get my reply to your reply!<br />
Look, I looked at your page--whatever you're doing, you're doing it right! and I mean it's the fourth in the series, so!<br />
I think you can get away with more, showing humor or discomfort, and it's good to use yourself as a guide--what turns you off and so on.<br />
and also, to want to go so deep as to be poignant--that to me is the greatest sort of writing, as everyone (no matter who they are and so on = have feelings and emotions--those are my whys I look for in books--they make people come alive--fleshing and blooding it up.<br />
and as I prefer that in a book, that kind of depth--I naturally (hopefully) am writing that way myself. I'm working on the fourth nov…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-01:537324:Comment:1441112008-06-01T15:52:12.252ZSusan Whitfieldhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/SusanWhitfield
I'm working on the fourth novel in my Logan Hunter Mystery series, and this topic is intriguing me. The first three books in the series had very little sex. However, the fourth one revolves around the porn industry and must include many scenes or discussions about what goes on. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with writing it, but the story needs to be told. Logan, the investigator, is also uncomfortable, and I'm trying to convey that to the readers along with a little humor. I"m moving very slowly…
I'm working on the fourth novel in my Logan Hunter Mystery series, and this topic is intriguing me. The first three books in the series had very little sex. However, the fourth one revolves around the porn industry and must include many scenes or discussions about what goes on. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with writing it, but the story needs to be told. Logan, the investigator, is also uncomfortable, and I'm trying to convey that to the readers along with a little humor. I"m moving very slowly with this one. I want to remember what turns me off as a reader so that I create a poignant story from every angle. my less rambling comment:
I t…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-01:537324:Comment:1440852008-06-01T15:09:03.178Zcarole gillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/PhyllisDietrichson
my less rambling comment:<br />
I think the characters make the story. And I think that people who are violent or overtly sexual shape what is written. But naturally there is a guiding hand (the author), and to a great extent that author's own morality and judgment come into the equation.<br />
I find myself going back and forth a little on these issues--but I guess that's a good thing.<br />
Our personal opinions will probably be challenged from time to time, and I think they should be.<br />
I had thought…
my less rambling comment:<br />
I think the characters make the story. And I think that people who are violent or overtly sexual shape what is written. But naturally there is a guiding hand (the author), and to a great extent that author's own morality and judgment come into the equation.<br />
I find myself going back and forth a little on these issues--but I guess that's a good thing.<br />
Our personal opinions will probably be challenged from time to time, and I think they should be.<br />
I had thought differently about this only a few days ago--that's why I deleted what I wrote then.<br />
Since in reconsidering various points made by others, I came to question my beliefs I thought were quite<br />
entrenched. Hopefully that's a positive thing. sounds like it to me.
btw can…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-01:537324:Comment:1440612008-06-01T11:58:46.050Zcarole gillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/PhyllisDietrichson
sounds like it to me.<br />
btw can never tell who you're replying to so forgive me if it's not me!<br />
actually, when I think about it--most crime fiction doesn't include a lot of sex or perv stuff.<br />
I think possibly when it does--as in the example you mentioned the writer wanted to try something different--as you say--he was perving out. hey! interesting name for a book or a discussion! Perving out!
sounds like it to me.<br />
btw can never tell who you're replying to so forgive me if it's not me!<br />
actually, when I think about it--most crime fiction doesn't include a lot of sex or perv stuff.<br />
I think possibly when it does--as in the example you mentioned the writer wanted to try something different--as you say--he was perving out. hey! interesting name for a book or a discussion! Perving out! A good crime book would still…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-05-31:537324:Comment:1439832008-05-31T22:42:43.092ZNeil Whitehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/NeilWhite
A good crime book would still be a good crime book without sex. However, a good crime book can be lessened by having unnecessary sex.<br />
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I've just read a book by Greg Iles, which involved the spirit of a bad person who could take over another person's body and manipulate accordingly, but the transfer could only happen at the point of orgasm! Sounds like a bad porn film. Instead, it was just a daft idea by a writer I quite like, and I couldn't shake the sense that the writer just fancied perving…
A good crime book would still be a good crime book without sex. However, a good crime book can be lessened by having unnecessary sex.<br />
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I've just read a book by Greg Iles, which involved the spirit of a bad person who could take over another person's body and manipulate accordingly, but the transfer could only happen at the point of orgasm! Sounds like a bad porn film. Instead, it was just a daft idea by a writer I quite like, and I couldn't shake the sense that the writer just fancied perving out for a while. What? New to me, though it ma…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-05-31:537324:Comment:1439412008-05-31T17:48:35.101ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
What? New to me, though it makes sense. I've always simply called it image (symbol, simile, metaphor, allegory etc) and meaning, respectively.
What? New to me, though it makes sense. I've always simply called it image (symbol, simile, metaphor, allegory etc) and meaning, respectively. perfect! thanks and that late…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-05-31:537324:Comment:1439212008-05-31T15:06:34.941Zcarole gillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/PhyllisDietrichson
perfect! thanks and that later example--well I get it now!<br />
so the signified is the condition, and the signifier is the result, perhaps?<br />
Never heard of that book btw--I stopped trying to write poetry a hundred years ago.<br />
When I was quite young I aspired to be the next Edgar Allan Poe I think, everything was too, too deepressing! it was all angst and suffering and heavy handed messages of doom, you know? but I outgrew it.<br />
again thanks for the clarification--especially grateful for that blow…
perfect! thanks and that later example--well I get it now!<br />
so the signified is the condition, and the signifier is the result, perhaps?<br />
Never heard of that book btw--I stopped trying to write poetry a hundred years ago.<br />
When I was quite young I aspired to be the next Edgar Allan Poe I think, everything was too, too deepressing! it was all angst and suffering and heavy handed messages of doom, you know? but I outgrew it.<br />
again thanks for the clarification--especially grateful for that blow reference--it brought it all home! One of the best writing books…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-05-31:537324:Comment:1439152008-05-31T14:50:43.495ZJohn McFetridgehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
One of the best writing books I've ever read is actually about poetry, "Poetry as Discourse," by Antony Easthope. It's pretty basic stuff, so most people already know all this, but it was a big insight for me (oh, Jacques Derrida can make it plenty complicated, but I skip over a lot of that - where's Jon Loomis when you need him? IJ could handle this better than me).<br />
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Signifiers are just symbols, or symbolic actions. To quote the book, "The message communicated (the coal, for example) is the…
One of the best writing books I've ever read is actually about poetry, "Poetry as Discourse," by Antony Easthope. It's pretty basic stuff, so most people already know all this, but it was a big insight for me (oh, Jacques Derrida can make it plenty complicated, but I skip over a lot of that - where's Jon Loomis when you need him? IJ could handle this better than me).<br />
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Signifiers are just symbols, or symbolic actions. To quote the book, "The message communicated (the coal, for example) is the signified and the means of communication (the truck, in our example) is the signifier."<br />
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So, years later I finally figured out it doesn't have to be coal trucks, it can be anything. The signified can be, "I'm so desperate, I'll do anything for money," and the signifier can be the blowjob.<br />
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I know, it's usually I'm so desperate for money I'll kill someone, but that seems so final ;).