Futures Trading - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T10:54:36Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:42663?x=1&id=537324%3ATopic%3A42663&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWell - I'm a geek who didn't…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-06-13:537324:Comment:481582007-06-13T12:12:34.019ZBarbara Fisterhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
Well - I'm a geek who didn't know anybody but I had a bit of luck. So it does happen, though it's truly, deeply fluky. And involves a high ratio of rejection to one bit of luck.
Well - I'm a geek who didn't know anybody but I had a bit of luck. So it does happen, though it's truly, deeply fluky. And involves a high ratio of rejection to one bit of luck. Yes a lot of books get publis…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-06-13:537324:Comment:481062007-06-13T02:29:53.223Zjo sjodenhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/josjoden
Yes a lot of books get published- but the question is - what kind of books are they? It seems that to get published today you need to have a network (hated word), be a whiz at socializing, pr, marketing etc and be able to write a certain format that fits the current demand. What about all the geeks who just want to write. How do they compete - regardless of how good their book is- do they stand a a chance? Maybe there is another way that doesn't involve to much cookie pushing and just focuses…
Yes a lot of books get published- but the question is - what kind of books are they? It seems that to get published today you need to have a network (hated word), be a whiz at socializing, pr, marketing etc and be able to write a certain format that fits the current demand. What about all the geeks who just want to write. How do they compete - regardless of how good their book is- do they stand a a chance? Maybe there is another way that doesn't involve to much cookie pushing and just focuses on the quality of the writing. I don't know. I am open to new ideas I just don't know how. I mean look at all the great authors who first couldn't get published - someone turned them down just as I am sure other great writers get turned down regularly today. Yeah... publishing has always…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-06-13:537324:Comment:480932007-06-13T01:54:03.745ZBarbara Fisterhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
Yeah... publishing has always been about making a profit. Luckily some folks in the business also love good books (and so do many readers, booksellers, librarians, etc.) and a lot of really good books do get published. But there are no doubt plenty that don't get published since they don't get that freak convergence of quality, right timing, and sheer luck.<br />
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That said, there are more ways to publish books than ever ... nearly 300,000 last year .... but that means more books competing for…
Yeah... publishing has always been about making a profit. Luckily some folks in the business also love good books (and so do many readers, booksellers, librarians, etc.) and a lot of really good books do get published. But there are no doubt plenty that don't get published since they don't get that freak convergence of quality, right timing, and sheer luck.<br />
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That said, there are more ways to publish books than ever ... nearly 300,000 last year .... but that means more books competing for attention that isn't growing at the same rate.<br />
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Yikes, I'm making myself seasick.... Thanks for your thoughts. I a…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-06-13:537324:Comment:480632007-06-13T00:35:07.341Zjo sjodenhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/josjoden
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you concerning media predict. I was only thinking that there must be a way to find the really good books out there someway besides going the normal route. Agents and editors can be really nasty too - often without reading the manuscript. And more often than not the established players aren't always about finding the good books either - more about making money. Somehow, somewhere I think that the idea that a truly good book will also make money got lost and…
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you concerning media predict. I was only thinking that there must be a way to find the really good books out there someway besides going the normal route. Agents and editors can be really nasty too - often without reading the manuscript. And more often than not the established players aren't always about finding the good books either - more about making money. Somehow, somewhere I think that the idea that a truly good book will also make money got lost and more and more shit gets published. Chicklit, bad crime, self-help bullshit etc that hasn't been properly edited and is not really worth publishing but is easy reading that will sell a required amount. I don't honestly know, but I…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-06-13:537324:Comment:480472007-06-13T00:05:55.385ZBarbara Fisterhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
I don't honestly know, but I very much doubt it. You could just as easily say "it's tough to get a recording contract, maybe American Idol will give me a way to break through." Your chances aren't that great. And it becomes a media event itself that sucks its energy from people wanting to follow their dreams (or dump on people for being losers publicly; we can be really nasty people, sometimes).<br />
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Looking at the company's website, it seems as if there's no intrinsic motivation to "play" other…
I don't honestly know, but I very much doubt it. You could just as easily say "it's tough to get a recording contract, maybe American Idol will give me a way to break through." Your chances aren't that great. And it becomes a media event itself that sucks its energy from people wanting to follow their dreams (or dump on people for being losers publicly; we can be really nasty people, sometimes).<br />
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Looking at the company's website, it seems as if there's no intrinsic motivation to "play" other than if you have a vested interest. The emphasis is totally on volunteering to spend time and energy on predicting winners from a tiny pool on the basis of a proposal - it has nothing to do with discovering good books. I very much doubt talent has anything to do with it. Though betting fake dollars on your buddies probably does.<br />
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At the moment, if I'm understanding the site, there are no mysteries there, no thrillers, two SF titles, one of which is agented and the other is ... a joke? It's by Stephen Colbert, supposedly. Somehow I don't think he needs the buzz. Hi everyone! A quick question…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-06-12:537324:Comment:480152007-06-12T22:55:48.754Zjo sjodenhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/josjoden
Hi everyone! A quick question from a novice - does anyone think that something like Media Predict could actually lead to someone tremendously talented getting published? Someone who would otherwise be lost in the steady flood of manuscripts, editors, agents, publishers. Since the current way of getting, or rather trying to get, published works the way it does is there any other possible way to go about it or is that just wishful thinking?
Hi everyone! A quick question from a novice - does anyone think that something like Media Predict could actually lead to someone tremendously talented getting published? Someone who would otherwise be lost in the steady flood of manuscripts, editors, agents, publishers. Since the current way of getting, or rather trying to get, published works the way it does is there any other possible way to go about it or is that just wishful thinking? The whole "Media predict" thi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-05-22:537324:Comment:430532007-05-22T22:07:15.942ZJackBludishttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JackBludis
The whole "Media predict" thing sounds like the same old cons ... "Gee, new author that's a great idea, you might not win this, but I think you've got sometlhing. For only $2,500,-- Blah, Blah, Blah ...."
The whole "Media predict" thing sounds like the same old cons ... "Gee, new author that's a great idea, you might not win this, but I think you've got sometlhing. For only $2,500,-- Blah, Blah, Blah ...." I do dislike popularity votes…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-05-22:537324:Comment:430502007-05-22T21:53:55.189ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
I do dislike popularity votes and campaigning for them. That goes for bestsellerdom and awards. There's something very slimy about the process. Somewhat reminicent of politics.
I do dislike popularity votes and campaigning for them. That goes for bestsellerdom and awards. There's something very slimy about the process. Somewhat reminicent of politics. What annoys me is the broadca…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-05-22:537324:Comment:430422007-05-22T21:27:31.770ZBarbara Fisterhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
What annoys me is the broadcast news show that asks us to vote on which news we're interested in seeing. It's only choosing which silly feature to broadcast, but still ...<br />
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I vote for no wars, no economics, nothing complicated, but I'll have a double helping of murders and cute animals, please.<br />
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Grrr. The commodification of everything.
What annoys me is the broadcast news show that asks us to vote on which news we're interested in seeing. It's only choosing which silly feature to broadcast, but still ...<br />
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I vote for no wars, no economics, nothing complicated, but I'll have a double helping of murders and cute animals, please.<br />
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Grrr. The commodification of everything. There are books I've READ tha…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-05-22:537324:Comment:430342007-05-22T20:50:31.392ZRobert K. Fosterhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/RKFoster
There are books I've <b>READ</b> that meant a lot to me but were no where near being bestsellers. That didn't mean that they weren't well written. There are bestsellers that I've <b>READ</b> that I liked also.<br />
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In my view, you can only tell if a book is valuable to yourself if you've <b>READ</b> it. Obviously these publishers are not talking about that. The problem is they want their money before you've <b>READ</b> it. If you notice the bolded, capitalized text in this post you'll see what I…
There are books I've <b>READ</b> that meant a lot to me but were no where near being bestsellers. That didn't mean that they weren't well written. There are bestsellers that I've <b>READ</b> that I liked also.<br />
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In my view, you can only tell if a book is valuable to yourself if you've <b>READ</b> it. Obviously these publishers are not talking about that. The problem is they want their money before you've <b>READ</b> it. If you notice the bolded, capitalized text in this post you'll see what I think a book's value should be based on. That is what used to create/generate the Bestseller's list. Are books becoming commodities?<br />
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A few TV shows seem to use this sort of system also. One of the major networks, I forget which one, is putting clips of Fall shows on their site and asking viewers to vote. Perhaps this is the new marketing system?