Nick Lowe, Old Age and the Looney Tunes Rule of Writing. - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T06:41:53Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:55288?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A55314&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, Jon. I hope to be sti…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-17:537324:Comment:555182007-07-17T16:03:14.430ZJude Hardinhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/festus
Thanks, Jon. I hope to be still at it when I'm 90. I might need some literary Viagra by then, though, LOL.
Thanks, Jon. I hope to be still at it when I'm 90. I might need some literary Viagra by then, though, LOL. My first novel (after 10 reje…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-17:537324:Comment:555052007-07-17T15:02:12.938ZJack Getzehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
My first novel (after 10 rejected ones) was published this year. I'm 61, making arrangements to start receiving my Social Security. I have no idea whether my stuff is edgy or not, but I know I can spend hours at night making myself laugh writing this stuff. I don't suppose I have that much time left to build a career, but as someone who has wanted to be an author for 40 years, I am honestly having the time of my life.
My first novel (after 10 rejected ones) was published this year. I'm 61, making arrangements to start receiving my Social Security. I have no idea whether my stuff is edgy or not, but I know I can spend hours at night making myself laugh writing this stuff. I don't suppose I have that much time left to build a career, but as someone who has wanted to be an author for 40 years, I am honestly having the time of my life. one thing i know -- age bring…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-17:537324:Comment:554912007-07-17T14:39:07.202ZAnne Frasierhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/annefrasier
one thing i know -- age brings physical pain, and pain makes it harder to fall through the hole in the page. and once i do fall through, it's hard as hell to climb out.<br />
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one thing i know -- age brings physical pain, and pain makes it harder to fall through the hole in the page. and once i do fall through, it's hard as hell to climb out.<br />
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card carrying member of the fossil club After reading my manuscript a…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553842007-07-16T23:44:32.595ZJude Hardinhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/festus
After reading my manuscript and deciding to sign me, one of the things my agent said was, "It's edgy, and that's what everyone is looking for."<br />
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I'm 46.<br />
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Whenever I get discouraged about my age and where I am in my writing career, I try to remember that Chandler was 50 when he published <i>The Big sleep</i>.<br />
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I think it's possible to make a mark at any age.
After reading my manuscript and deciding to sign me, one of the things my agent said was, "It's edgy, and that's what everyone is looking for."<br />
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I'm 46.<br />
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Whenever I get discouraged about my age and where I am in my writing career, I try to remember that Chandler was 50 when he published <i>The Big sleep</i>.<br />
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I think it's possible to make a mark at any age. Ha! I see Lee and her husband…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553772007-07-16T22:23:40.148ZDavid Terrenoirehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Terrenoire
Ha! I see Lee and her husband every now and then at my favorite bar. Next time, I'll tell her this story. It'll make her day.<br />
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News of the Spirit. I like that.
Ha! I see Lee and her husband every now and then at my favorite bar. Next time, I'll tell her this story. It'll make her day.<br />
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News of the Spirit. I like that. Perspective is a good thing.…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553392007-07-16T20:08:03.217ZKaryn J. Powershttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/karyning
Perspective is a good thing. Every wunderkin will gain some if they're lucky. In today's vernacular: Go green, & stop wasting energy wondering "what if..."
Perspective is a good thing. Every wunderkin will gain some if they're lucky. In today's vernacular: Go green, & stop wasting energy wondering "what if..." It's an interesting question,…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553262007-07-16T18:56:07.306ZDavid Terrenoirehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Terrenoire
It's an interesting question, isn't it. On one hand is the unbridled enthusiasm of someone eager to break the form and on the other hand you have a lifetime of living and writing behind you.<br />
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Thanks to you and everyone else who've taken an honest swipe at this. In the end, as Ms. Parker and Tex Avery says, you have to do what you like and the hell with it.
It's an interesting question, isn't it. On one hand is the unbridled enthusiasm of someone eager to break the form and on the other hand you have a lifetime of living and writing behind you.<br />
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Thanks to you and everyone else who've taken an honest swipe at this. In the end, as Ms. Parker and Tex Avery says, you have to do what you like and the hell with it. I don't think age is that imp…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553202007-07-16T17:51:39.754ZLaura Roothttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/mallard
I don't think age is that important - I have just now been considering the ages of my favourite crime etc authors, and am struggling to remember the ages of any of them, and suspect I might not even guess the correct decade. Sex, violence and corruption are common themes from classic fiction BC onwards.
I don't think age is that important - I have just now been considering the ages of my favourite crime etc authors, and am struggling to remember the ages of any of them, and suspect I might not even guess the correct decade. Sex, violence and corruption are common themes from classic fiction BC onwards. I have a few years on you, Da…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553182007-07-16T17:49:11.059ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
I have a few years on you, David. I suppose I should really worry. But the fact is that good writing has little to do with age and a lot with individual talent. Also, not every new fad (regardless of how impressive at the time) will last. On the other hand, it is important to remain open to new influences and be very cautious about recreating over and over again the traditional mystery. Mystery writing has changed, and changed for the better. The new novels are much richer in character, theme,…
I have a few years on you, David. I suppose I should really worry. But the fact is that good writing has little to do with age and a lot with individual talent. Also, not every new fad (regardless of how impressive at the time) will last. On the other hand, it is important to remain open to new influences and be very cautious about recreating over and over again the traditional mystery. Mystery writing has changed, and changed for the better. The new novels are much richer in character, theme, and atmosphere. They are also closer to life. On the whole, the really fine new mysteries approach literary fiction -- or at least refuse to be fenced in by the rules.<br />
In the end you must write what you like, what meets your standards. Nothing else is going to work. Gee, David, you aren't much f…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-07-16:537324:Comment:553142007-07-16T17:36:28.385ZBrian Thorntonhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BrianThornton
Gee, David, you aren't much for fluff questions, are you? I must have taken a wrong turn on the way to the AMERICAN IDOL thread, but you've put a number of things in this post which I find irresistible (including "Looney Tunes" and Nick Lowe references), allow me to weigh in here.<br />
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I was speculating on this sort of thing the other day, because I'm currently teaching a summer school English course, and we're reading THE GREAT GATSBY as a class. At 42, I am fast approaching Fitsgerald's age when…
Gee, David, you aren't much for fluff questions, are you? I must have taken a wrong turn on the way to the AMERICAN IDOL thread, but you've put a number of things in this post which I find irresistible (including "Looney Tunes" and Nick Lowe references), allow me to weigh in here.<br />
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I was speculating on this sort of thing the other day, because I'm currently teaching a summer school English course, and we're reading THE GREAT GATSBY as a class. At 42, I am fast approaching Fitsgerald's age when he dropped dead of a heart-attack, and that never ceases to give me pause.<br />
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After all, the guy was 26 when he wrote GATSBY, and he never attained anything resembling success after that. In fact, GATSBY was a posthumous success for him, because it received flat sales in its initial print run during the early 1920s, and didn't really catch on until after World War II, when American society seems to have "caught up" with Fitzgerald.<br />
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And then there's Hemingway, whose first success came at age 24, and who shot himself at age 61 after nearly two decades of declining book sales and spotty output (broken only by the prize-winning THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA in 1951), because he just didn't have "it" anymore.<br />
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So imagine what a piker I could make myself feel like when I completed my first "mistake" novel at age 38 in 2003, and, realizing that it was a learning experience rather than a piece of writing of which I could be proud, didn't really shop it that much. Instead I took the Judas gilt of a succession of non-fiction book gigs, and went to work.<br />
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Now firmly ensconced in middle age, there are days when I lament the youth I didn't spend hunched over a typewriter honing my craft, giving vent to the fire in my belly, and so on. I also admire the authors you mention above, and would add another young-un, Megan Abbott, to that list.<br />
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However, when I'm sanguine about it, I realize that for whatever reasons, be it a combination of experience, upbringing, genetics, etc., I was far too callow in my "youth" to write anything that wouldn't be more than "precious" or scathing. My characters would likely have been one-dimensional, my plotting laughable.<br />
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All the more reason to laud those young authors who "get it right" early on, and to wonder where their journey will take them. After all, the best thing Ernest Hemingway ever wrote was the short story "The Snows of Kilimanjaro," of which he boasted that he put in enough good stuff for four novels," and he was 34 when he wrote it.<br />
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On the other hand, there's Faulkner, who didn't hit his stride till later in his writing life. What to make of his uneven and at times brilliant work?<br />
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Lastly, I can't help but wonder whether it is the function of aging or the fuction of acheiving some measure of success that cages in some writers. After all, having acheived success early in one's career, where does one go from there, especially in light of the pressure from publishers to write the same book over and over in the (fallacious) belief that so doing will duplicate one's initial success?<br />
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And that's just off the top of my head.<br />
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Lastly, I'd say the most obvious choice for someone who peaked early and then experienced a long, slow decline would be Dashiell Hammett, who burned like a flame for about ten years, and then really pretty much stopped publishing with his last novel, THE THIN MAN in 1934. Like Hemingway, he died in 1961.<br />
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Your Mileage May Vary-<br />
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