Any USA Civil War Buffs Out There? - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T15:57:43Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/any-usa-civil-war-buffs-out-there?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A375811&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHubris?tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-07:537324:Comment:3761562013-08-07T18:38:22.893ZAndrew Drummondhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/AndrewDrummond
<p>Hubris?</p>
<p>Hubris?</p> That is my understanding too.…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-07:537324:Comment:3760322013-08-07T18:25:19.030ZAndrew Drummondhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/AndrewDrummond
<p>That is my understanding too. Col. Strong Vincent was mortally wounded at Gettysburg (he was defending the right flank of Little Round top) and died on July 7th 1863. His widow gave birth to a baby daughter two months later. Sadly, the daughter died before reaching her first birthday and is buried next to her father.</p>
<p>That is my understanding too. Col. Strong Vincent was mortally wounded at Gettysburg (he was defending the right flank of Little Round top) and died on July 7th 1863. His widow gave birth to a baby daughter two months later. Sadly, the daughter died before reaching her first birthday and is buried next to her father.</p> I totally agree with your poi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-07:537324:Comment:3761552013-08-07T18:14:09.676ZAndrew Drummondhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/AndrewDrummond
<p>I totally agree with your points but would add that as well as Stuart's absence, Lee was without the services of Jackson.</p>
<p>And on what seems a more trivial point:</p>
<p>For some years, I have been fascinated by the theory that the battle happened by accident. Maj Gen Heth, the divisional commander, who sent the original Confederate force to Gettysburg, later claimed in his memoirs that its purpose was to search for boots. So was the Union actually saved because of a lack of…</p>
<p>I totally agree with your points but would add that as well as Stuart's absence, Lee was without the services of Jackson.</p>
<p>And on what seems a more trivial point:</p>
<p>For some years, I have been fascinated by the theory that the battle happened by accident. Maj Gen Heth, the divisional commander, who sent the original Confederate force to Gettysburg, later claimed in his memoirs that its purpose was to search for boots. So was the Union actually saved because of a lack of footwear?</p> I've thought for years that L…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-07:537324:Comment:3758432013-08-07T17:24:35.686ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
<p>I've thought for years that Lee's ego was his undoing at Gettysburg, and several times after. He and his men had pulled off what seemed to be impossible so many times, and their love for him was so strong, he came to believe they accomplish whatever he asked, and would do it for him personally, and thus threw away Pickett's division (and other units) on a hopeless assault.</p>
<p>I've thought for years that Lee's ego was his undoing at Gettysburg, and several times after. He and his men had pulled off what seemed to be impossible so many times, and their love for him was so strong, he came to believe they accomplish whatever he asked, and would do it for him personally, and thus threw away Pickett's division (and other units) on a hopeless assault.</p> Vincent had overall command o…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-07:537324:Comment:3760312013-08-07T17:21:43.905ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
<p>Vincent had overall command of the regiments on Little Round Top; it was Gen. Warren who realized the hill was essentially undefended and sent Vincent and some artillery there minutes before Hood's troops stormed it.</p>
<p>Vincent had overall command of the regiments on Little Round Top; it was Gen. Warren who realized the hill was essentially undefended and sent Vincent and some artillery there minutes before Hood's troops stormed it.</p> Lee's other problem was belie…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-07:537324:Comment:3761492013-08-07T12:37:56.855ZStephen Seitzhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/StephenSeitz
<p>Lee's other problem was believing his own press. It seems as if Meade was the only Union general willing to take him on and make it a real fight. Had he pursued Lee after the battle, the Civil War might have ended that July.</p>
<p>Lee's other problem was believing his own press. It seems as if Meade was the only Union general willing to take him on and make it a real fight. Had he pursued Lee after the battle, the Civil War might have ended that July.</p> I think Leel ost it on the fi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-06:537324:Comment:3759312013-08-06T21:40:52.975ZMartin Roy Hillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/MartinRoyHill
<p>I think Leel ost it on the first day of battle. He never meant to fight at Gettysburg. His plan was to pivot to the right north of the town and bear down on Washington, DC and threaten the capital, hoping to produce a negotiated peace. By getting engaged in a battle at Gettysburg, he had already lost the point of his second northern invasion.</p>
<p>Because of Buford's holding action, Lee was forced to engage without his force consolidated. That forced him to send his troops in piece meal.…</p>
<p>I think Leel ost it on the first day of battle. He never meant to fight at Gettysburg. His plan was to pivot to the right north of the town and bear down on Washington, DC and threaten the capital, hoping to produce a negotiated peace. By getting engaged in a battle at Gettysburg, he had already lost the point of his second northern invasion.</p>
<p>Because of Buford's holding action, Lee was forced to engage without his force consolidated. That forced him to send his troops in piece meal. His orders were not articulate and caused confusion among his division commanders. Lee was not well during the battle. He was suffering from the results of a riding accident and was in much pain. Plus, his cavalry was diminished by absense of JEB Stuart.</p>
<p>Meade did a damn fine job at Gettysburg, considering he was named commander only a day or two before the battle. He did pursue Lee after battle, and was ready to engage in another large battle, but he didn't want to pursue him too far. That made Linclon think he was timid like George McClellan, and had him replaced by Grant. But Meade won the battle that saved the US.</p>
<p>Another hero of the battle was the Union commander (and I can't remember his name - Vincent?) who recognized the Union's left wing was hanging and ordered Chamberlain's regiment to fill the gap. If he hadn't done that, Lee's forces would have rolled up the Union line.</p> Do you think Lee lost the plo…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-06:537324:Comment:3760852013-08-06T17:37:27.081ZAndrew Drummondhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/AndrewDrummond
<p>Do you think Lee lost the plot on the 3rd day of the battle, in the same way that the Union commanders had done prior to Meade? And yes, I do appreciate that most of Meade's predecessors did not even know the name of the play that the plot was from and were unable to repeat as much as a single line from the text!</p>
<p>Do you think Lee lost the plot on the 3rd day of the battle, in the same way that the Union commanders had done prior to Meade? And yes, I do appreciate that most of Meade's predecessors did not even know the name of the play that the plot was from and were unable to repeat as much as a single line from the text!</p> Totally agree. If Buford hadn…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-06:537324:Comment:3759302013-08-06T17:20:46.744ZMartin Roy Hillhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/MartinRoyHill
<p>Totally agree. If Buford hadn't held back the Confederates, they would have taken the high ground of Cemtery Ridge and the Union would have been in the same position as they were at Marye Heights in Fredericksburg. As it was, the Confderates found themselves in that position, which Longstreet pointed out to Lee before Picketts Charge.</p>
<p>Totally agree. If Buford hadn't held back the Confederates, they would have taken the high ground of Cemtery Ridge and the Union would have been in the same position as they were at Marye Heights in Fredericksburg. As it was, the Confderates found themselves in that position, which Longstreet pointed out to Lee before Picketts Charge.</p> I'd say he was somewhere in t…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-08-06:537324:Comment:3758372013-08-06T16:09:54.703ZStephen Seitzhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/StephenSeitz
<p>I'd say he was somewhere in the middle. In general, he lost more than he won, and was certainly better known for his rolling brothel than any military feat.</p>
<p>I'd say he was somewhere in the middle. In general, he lost more than he won, and was certainly better known for his rolling brothel than any military feat.</p>