Could This Work? - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T09:49:09Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/could-this-work?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A206104&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks to all who replied. I…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-03:537324:Comment:2061042009-07-03T19:51:24.207ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
Thanks to all who replied. I learned a lot from this discussion. Enjoy your weekends, whether it's a holiday for you or not.
Thanks to all who replied. I learned a lot from this discussion. Enjoy your weekends, whether it's a holiday for you or not. I'd like to see the Hardcover…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-03:537324:Comment:2060682009-07-03T12:31:55.557ZD.R. MacMasterhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DuncanRMacMaster
I'd like to see the Hardcovers come out in the build-up to Xmas gift season, and then paperbacks come out 6 months later for the summer travel season.
I'd like to see the Hardcovers come out in the build-up to Xmas gift season, and then paperbacks come out 6 months later for the summer travel season. This definitely happens all t…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059972009-07-02T22:37:13.502ZKris Nerihttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KrisNeri
This definitely happens all the time, with respect to moving a mass market author up to HC. But I can tell you they don't give any incentives to bookstores to get them to buy certain authors's books. I think it would make sense if they did, but they don't. Every now and then, with a bestselling author, they release a limited edition mass market of one of his earlier books, that sells for a lower price. But it's quite rare, and printings of those limited editions sell out fast, and aren't…
This definitely happens all the time, with respect to moving a mass market author up to HC. But I can tell you they don't give any incentives to bookstores to get them to buy certain authors's books. I think it would make sense if they did, but they don't. Every now and then, with a bestselling author, they release a limited edition mass market of one of his earlier books, that sells for a lower price. But it's quite rare, and printings of those limited editions sell out fast, and aren't usually reprinted. Thanks, Bob. That's quite int…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059912009-07-02T21:13:33.447ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
Thanks, Bob. That's quite interesting.
Thanks, Bob. That's quite interesting. On the trade paperbacks, as a…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059872009-07-02T21:00:15.577ZBobhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
On the trade paperbacks, as a bookstore operator, the trade paperback editions sell through at the low end. MMPB sell at the high end, with HC picking up ground.<br />
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The one plus on hardcovers is the purchases made by libraries from my perspective.<br />
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Smiles<br />
Bob
On the trade paperbacks, as a bookstore operator, the trade paperback editions sell through at the low end. MMPB sell at the high end, with HC picking up ground.<br />
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The one plus on hardcovers is the purchases made by libraries from my perspective.<br />
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Smiles<br />
Bob I see the hardcover versions…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059852009-07-02T19:40:04.686ZJohn McFetridgehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
I see the hardcover versions of my books as marketing material (and I'd like to see the cost come out of the marketing budget). They mostly sell to libraries and are in bookstores much the way a poster or an ad is displayed.<br />
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What I would like to see is the time between the hardciver and the paperback reduced. A year is too long, too many other books have come out in between and any marketing that was done for the hardcover has lost any effectiveness it may have had. Maybe there was a time when…
I see the hardcover versions of my books as marketing material (and I'd like to see the cost come out of the marketing budget). They mostly sell to libraries and are in bookstores much the way a poster or an ad is displayed.<br />
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What I would like to see is the time between the hardciver and the paperback reduced. A year is too long, too many other books have come out in between and any marketing that was done for the hardcover has lost any effectiveness it may have had. Maybe there was a time when a paperback came out a year afer the hardcover and people had been waiting for it and were excited - but in the internet age that paperback is now just old news.<br />
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Of course, what do I know? I can't sell any books. I'll let you know next spring how St. Martins does. Actually, yes, it's happened…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059842009-07-02T19:16:45.617ZNeil Nyrenhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/NeilNyren
Actually, yes, it's happened that way, too, though not as frequently -- sometimes you just need to press restart.
Actually, yes, it's happened that way, too, though not as frequently -- sometimes you just need to press restart. I moved quite intentionally f…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059782009-07-02T18:12:14.248ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
I moved quite intentionally from hc to tpb when I switched publishers. I thought sales would improve by leaps and bounds. Instead they've been building slowly. I'm left with the nagging conviction that the same would have happened with hc. Once you establish a fan following, they usually don't worry all that much about cost. There are other considerations: reviewers don't review mmpb, and rarely tpb. You just don't get the same respect in paper. Possibly you also get less of a marketing push…
I moved quite intentionally from hc to tpb when I switched publishers. I thought sales would improve by leaps and bounds. Instead they've been building slowly. I'm left with the nagging conviction that the same would have happened with hc. Once you establish a fan following, they usually don't worry all that much about cost. There are other considerations: reviewers don't review mmpb, and rarely tpb. You just don't get the same respect in paper. Possibly you also get less of a marketing push and promotion. Neil,
Thanks for the answer.…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059752009-07-02T18:10:12.354ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
Neil,<br />
Thanks for the answer. You're probably the person I most wanted to hear from.<br />
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Here's another question: Does it ever work in reverse, where an author gets to hardcover, but then is moved back to paperback? We all hear horror stories of authors who got big advances, the book didn;t do well, and they're toast. You never hear of authors who crash and burn in hard cover getting back to a successful paperback career. Does it not happen, or do we just not hear about it?<br />
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Thanks.
Neil,<br />
Thanks for the answer. You're probably the person I most wanted to hear from.<br />
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Here's another question: Does it ever work in reverse, where an author gets to hardcover, but then is moved back to paperback? We all hear horror stories of authors who got big advances, the book didn;t do well, and they're toast. You never hear of authors who crash and burn in hard cover getting back to a successful paperback career. Does it not happen, or do we just not hear about it?<br />
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Thanks. Happens all the time, Dana. W…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-07-02:537324:Comment:2059702009-07-02T17:45:32.014ZNeil Nyrenhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/NeilNyren
Happens all the time, Dana. We've got plenty of authors on our hardcover list that started as mass market -- some of them pretty famous by now. And it's something we often recommend -- we start plenty of people in hardcover, but sometimes our best advice is: start in pb, build yourself an audience, and when you've got enough fans, then you're a better bet for hardcover and the higher price.<br />
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It's pretty rare that there's an interim step in tpb. The numbers tend to be smaller in tpb, and usually…
Happens all the time, Dana. We've got plenty of authors on our hardcover list that started as mass market -- some of them pretty famous by now. And it's something we often recommend -- we start plenty of people in hardcover, but sometimes our best advice is: start in pb, build yourself an audience, and when you've got enough fans, then you're a better bet for hardcover and the higher price.<br />
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It's pretty rare that there's an interim step in tpb. The numbers tend to be smaller in tpb, and usually if you've established yourself in mm, that's enough to potentially take the jump. And of course there are some people who start out in tpb and then go to hardcover.