Crime Novels with Female Protagonists and Side-kicks - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T15:19:23Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/crime-novels-with-female-1?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A288959&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi John,
MI can't say that I…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-21:537324:Comment:2906902011-05-21T20:47:40.095ZKaren Tyrrellhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KarenTyrrell
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p> MI can't say that I have. But I will look into those authors. Thanksfor the tips.</p>
<p>Sayonara, my crime faction has three POV's as well :))</p>
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p> MI can't say that I have. But I will look into those authors. Thanksfor the tips.</p>
<p>Sayonara, my crime faction has three POV's as well :))</p> Are you familiar with SJ Roza…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-21:537324:Comment:2906642011-05-21T18:14:41.776ZJohn Edward Mullenhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnEdwardMullen
Are you familiar with SJ Rozan's books in which she alternates the POV character between her female Chinese-American detective Lydia Chin and her partner Bill Smith? Have you read Laurie R. King's series with the female police detective Kate Martinelli?
Are you familiar with SJ Rozan's books in which she alternates the POV character between her female Chinese-American detective Lydia Chin and her partner Bill Smith? Have you read Laurie R. King's series with the female police detective Kate Martinelli? I'm a member of Sisters in Cr…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-17:537324:Comment:2899062011-05-17T22:04:40.964ZKaren Tyrrellhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KarenTyrrell
<p>I'm a member of Sisters in Crime Australia. We are female crime authors who have female protagonists and sometimes female side-kicks.</p>
<p>So many crime Readers are female ...There's a shift towards male authors writing with female protagonists too, which is a very good thing.</p>
<p>Good luck with your Crime writing :))</p>
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<p>I'm a member of Sisters in Crime Australia. We are female crime authors who have female protagonists and sometimes female side-kicks.</p>
<p>So many crime Readers are female ...There's a shift towards male authors writing with female protagonists too, which is a very good thing.</p>
<p>Good luck with your Crime writing :))</p>
<p> </p> I work a real full-time job a…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-17:537324:Comment:2898262011-05-17T16:48:43.215ZBenjamin Sobieckhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenjaminSobieck
I work a real full-time job aside from these delusions I have about writing. I'm not worried if anyone goes for it.
I work a real full-time job aside from these delusions I have about writing. I'm not worried if anyone goes for it. Your welcome! Action, mystery…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-17:537324:Comment:2898092011-05-17T14:32:08.195ZDonna White Glaserhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DonnaWhiteGlaser
Your welcome! Action, mystery and humor are my favorite combinations too. JA Konrath can be pretty funny too, amidst the blood and guts. He takes a stronger stomach, but at least his female protag is not a ninja/princess.
Your welcome! Action, mystery and humor are my favorite combinations too. JA Konrath can be pretty funny too, amidst the blood and guts. He takes a stronger stomach, but at least his female protag is not a ninja/princess. You are probably right, but w…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-17:537324:Comment:2898072011-05-17T14:05:50.142ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
You are probably right, but will the other boys go for it?
You are probably right, but will the other boys go for it? I think I will change the MC…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-17:537324:Comment:2897262011-05-17T04:12:21.566ZBenjamin Sobieckhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenjaminSobieck
<p>I think I will change the MC in the WIP to a female. It works just as well. She'll be a farm-raised Dakotan returning to town after college.</p>
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<p>What I meant by the "misogynistic tropes" is that I read a lot of crime flash fiction. Aside from a few exceptions, the females in them are a) something to take revenge upon through brutal physical violence, b) forced to do sexual favors in return for something else or c) boxed into the "annoying bitch" character.</p>
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<p>I think I will change the MC in the WIP to a female. It works just as well. She'll be a farm-raised Dakotan returning to town after college.</p>
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<p>What I meant by the "misogynistic tropes" is that I read a lot of crime flash fiction. Aside from a few exceptions, the females in them are a) something to take revenge upon through brutal physical violence, b) forced to do sexual favors in return for something else or c) boxed into the "annoying bitch" character.</p>
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<p>I know this specific segment of fiction is a boy's club, but not every male in my day is a tough guy, just like every female isn't a doormat. Strong females, even if they're antagonists, are more than overdue in this genre. Shake things up a bit.</p>
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<p>In my WIP, as in real life, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone farming the prairie who isn't tough as nails. It's time for a change up.</p> Oh, good blog, Minerva. My p…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-16:537324:Comment:2896692011-05-16T21:33:15.807ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Oh, good blog, Minerva. My particular bete noir is the female detective (generally only seen in ragged sweatshirt, jeans, and athletic shoes) who has the policeman hunk drooling after her. She's always much smarter and braver than he is and solves all the cases the dumb ox cannot handle. On principle, the men in such books are all stupid, or chauvinist pigs, or abuse women. The stupid hunks are there to prove that women still have sex appeal even when they behave exactly like…</p>
<p>Oh, good blog, Minerva. My particular bete noir is the female detective (generally only seen in ragged sweatshirt, jeans, and athletic shoes) who has the policeman hunk drooling after her. She's always much smarter and braver than he is and solves all the cases the dumb ox cannot handle. On principle, the men in such books are all stupid, or chauvinist pigs, or abuse women. The stupid hunks are there to prove that women still have sex appeal even when they behave exactly like men.</p>
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<p>The problem has a lot to do with formula writing. They do it for romance. It bleeds over into mystery.</p> Thanks Minerva for these amaz…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-16:537324:Comment:2896662011-05-16T20:26:33.410ZKaren Tyrrellhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KarenTyrrell
<p>Thanks Minerva for these amazing links ... very interesting.</p>
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<p>Loved your Blog about avoiding female stereotypes in crime writing.</p>
<p>Let's all raise the bar and create lead female characters who are well rounded and more real ... Karen :))</p>
<p>Thanks Minerva for these amazing links ... very interesting.</p>
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<p>Loved your Blog about avoiding female stereotypes in crime writing.</p>
<p>Let's all raise the bar and create lead female characters who are well rounded and more real ... Karen :))</p> This is a TV tropes wiki, but…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2011-05-16:537324:Comment:2896522011-05-16T18:42:10.086ZminervaKhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/minervakoenig
<p>This is a TV tropes wiki, but many of the stereotypes discussed apply to writing as well:</p>
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<p><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MysteryTropes" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysFemale" target="_blank">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysFemale</a></p>
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<p>I've also written a short post about the sexist tropes so common in our genre:</p>
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<p>This is a TV tropes wiki, but many of the stereotypes discussed apply to writing as well:</p>
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<p><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MysteryTropes" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysFemale" target="_blank">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlwaysFemale</a></p>
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<p>I've also written a short post about the sexist tropes so common in our genre:</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.minervakoenig.com/2009/11/how-to-write-non-sexist-crime-novel.html" target="_blank">http://www.minervakoenig.com/2009/11/how-to-write-non-sexist-crime-...</a></p>
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