Finished the 'shoddy first draft' - what now? - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T08:48:04Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/finished-the-shoddy-first-draft-what-now?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A385849&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTo true, David.tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-12:537324:Comment:3857462014-01-12T23:18:09.729ZKerry J Donovanhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KerryJDonovan
<p>To true, David.</p>
<p>To true, David.</p> I think it depends on the sto…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-12:537324:Comment:3858492014-01-12T22:43:16.814ZDavid DeLeehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DavidDeLee
<p>I think it depends on the story. Certainly characters can change, those who thought they were weak grow strong, a person who's never been in love falls in love, etc. etc. I just hate hearing how its a rule. That a character MUST change or the story doesn't work. I don't buy that. Affected, yes. Changed. no, not necessarily.</p>
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<p>Good luck</p>
<p>I think it depends on the story. Certainly characters can change, those who thought they were weak grow strong, a person who's never been in love falls in love, etc. etc. I just hate hearing how its a rule. That a character MUST change or the story doesn't work. I don't buy that. Affected, yes. Changed. no, not necessarily.</p>
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<p>Good luck</p> "If your character is not aff…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-12:537324:Comment:3852412014-01-12T19:07:14.220ZKerry J Donovanhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KerryJDonovan
<p><span><em>"If your character is not affected by the events in your story, then I think you have a problem."</em> </span></p>
<p><span>Couldn't agree more with that. Change is probably needed if your character is young - less important for a mature individual.</span></p>
<p><span>In any event, the story must be gripping. Otherwise all bets are...</span></p>
<p><span><em>"If your character is not affected by the events in your story, then I think you have a problem."</em> </span></p>
<p><span>Couldn't agree more with that. Change is probably needed if your character is young - less important for a mature individual.</span></p>
<p><span>In any event, the story must be gripping. Otherwise all bets are...</span></p> I like the sound of the readi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-12:537324:Comment:3855692014-01-12T19:03:43.181ZKerry J Donovanhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KerryJDonovan
<p>I like the sound of the reading out loud part. I normally reserve that for dialogue unless there's a particularly complicated piece of narration. I also print off a hard copy when I'm near the final draft. It's amazing how many errors you find when reading from paper. </p>
<p>Thanks for the wishes and good luck with the sales. :)</p>
<p>I like the sound of the reading out loud part. I normally reserve that for dialogue unless there's a particularly complicated piece of narration. I also print off a hard copy when I'm near the final draft. It's amazing how many errors you find when reading from paper. </p>
<p>Thanks for the wishes and good luck with the sales. :)</p> I've always been bothered by…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-12:537324:Comment:3856622014-01-12T18:42:41.679ZDavid DeLeehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DavidDeLee
<p>I've always been bothered by the idea of a character having to change in a story. It blocked me for a long time. I've now disagree with it being a requirement. Especially if you are writing a series character.</p>
<p>I mean does Jack Reacher change? Do Elvis Cole and Joe Pike change? No.</p>
<p>I think a better way to look at it is how is your series character affected by the events in your story. How doe he/she feel about what is going on around them? What does he/she do as a result of…</p>
<p>I've always been bothered by the idea of a character having to change in a story. It blocked me for a long time. I've now disagree with it being a requirement. Especially if you are writing a series character.</p>
<p>I mean does Jack Reacher change? Do Elvis Cole and Joe Pike change? No.</p>
<p>I think a better way to look at it is how is your series character affected by the events in your story. How doe he/she feel about what is going on around them? What does he/she do as a result of experiencing those things? Those are the things you need to show to the reader, not change but reaction.</p>
<p>If your character is not affected by the events in your story, then I think you have a problem. </p>
<p></p> I generally work on one proje…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-12:537324:Comment:3855662014-01-12T18:34:09.941ZDavid DeLeehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DavidDeLee
<p>I generally work on one project at a time, and I put together a fairly detailed outline.</p>
<p>I have found what works best for me is to do my first draft completely through using my outline. Once I'm done, I re-read and re-write it a second time in its entirety, creating a second draft.</p>
<p>After that I print it out (about twenty-five pages at a time for a novel) and read it out loud and slowly and mark changes on the paper draft. Finally, I key those changes into the final draft. That…</p>
<p>I generally work on one project at a time, and I put together a fairly detailed outline.</p>
<p>I have found what works best for me is to do my first draft completely through using my outline. Once I'm done, I re-read and re-write it a second time in its entirety, creating a second draft.</p>
<p>After that I print it out (about twenty-five pages at a time for a novel) and read it out loud and slowly and mark changes on the paper draft. Finally, I key those changes into the final draft. That means I've been through the thing four times.</p>
<p>Finally, I send it to my editor and move on to the next project.</p>
<p>When I get it back from the editor, I make the final corrections and its off to print</p>
<p>Good luck with the book and the series.</p>
<p></p> Tee hee, serial killer? I don…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-11:537324:Comment:3852272014-01-11T16:30:27.219ZKerry J Donovanhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KerryJDonovan
<p>Tee hee, serial killer? I don't know why cornflakes arouse so much anger in people. I can take them or leave them. ;)</p>
<p>Tee hee, serial killer? I don't know why cornflakes arouse so much anger in people. I can take them or leave them. ;)</p> Well, good luck! I'm embarki…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-11:537324:Comment:3854292014-01-11T16:21:09.106ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Well, good luck! I'm embarking on a serial killer scenario, a new thing for me.</p>
<p>Well, good luck! I'm embarking on a serial killer scenario, a new thing for me.</p> I'm having to do the love sce…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-11:537324:Comment:3854272014-01-11T16:09:46.823ZKerry J Donovanhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/KerryJDonovan
<p>I'm having to do the love scene from memory - I'm past it now. ;)</p>
<p>Whether she jilts him or dies is to be decided, but I am writing a crime thriller so...</p>
<p>I'm having to do the love scene from memory - I'm past it now. ;)</p>
<p>Whether she jilts him or dies is to be decided, but I am writing a crime thriller so...</p> Whether he succumbs to the la…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2014-01-11:537324:Comment:3854252014-01-11T15:50:46.398ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Whether he succumbs to the lady and is happy, or succumbs and is painfully rejected/disillusioned, you have a good event for character development. Should be fun to write it.</p>
<p>Whether he succumbs to the lady and is happy, or succumbs and is painfully rejected/disillusioned, you have a good event for character development. Should be fun to write it.</p>