Fog vs Pollution - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T15:10:31Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/fog-vs-pollution?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A356492&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAnd then it gets stuck there.…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3565032012-10-01T20:38:52.345ZJohn Michael Brantinghamhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMichaelBrantingham
<p>And then it gets stuck there. I've had a chronic cough for the last 35 years that goes away when I leave LA. Frankly I'd like to get out of it permanently at some point.</p>
<p>And then it gets stuck there. I've had a chronic cough for the last 35 years that goes away when I leave LA. Frankly I'd like to get out of it permanently at some point.</p> The plain that Los Angeles li…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3563092012-10-01T20:35:16.429ZJack Getzehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
<p>The plain that Los Angeles lies on is a natural creator of heat inversions. I picked this off ABOUT.COM:</p>
<p><span>"Inversion layers ... are areas where the normal decrease in air temperature with increasing altitude is reversed and air above the ground is warmer than the air below it.</span></p>
<p>"Inversion layers ... block atmospheric flow ... and areas with heavy pollution are prone to unhealthy air and an increase in smog when an inversion is present because they trap pollutants…</p>
<p>The plain that Los Angeles lies on is a natural creator of heat inversions. I picked this off ABOUT.COM:</p>
<p><span>"Inversion layers ... are areas where the normal decrease in air temperature with increasing altitude is reversed and air above the ground is warmer than the air below it.</span></p>
<p>"Inversion layers ... block atmospheric flow ... and areas with heavy pollution are prone to unhealthy air and an increase in smog when an inversion is present because they trap pollutants at ground level instead of circulating them away."</p> Ah. Thanks, John.tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3563012012-10-01T17:17:51.844ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Ah. Thanks, John.</p>
<p>Ah. Thanks, John.</p> No, it makes things hazy, but…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3562312012-10-01T14:54:54.693ZJohn Michael Brantinghamhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMichaelBrantingham
<p>No, it makes things hazy, but it also traps more moisture. Without that configuration, we'd just be the Western edge of the desert, but farming really grew up because of that. That's what the haze is, and why people were initially attracted to it. Then industries that needed a permanent summer, like certain types of engineering and movie productions, brought in our huge population.</p>
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<p>No, it makes things hazy, but it also traps more moisture. Without that configuration, we'd just be the Western edge of the desert, but farming really grew up because of that. That's what the haze is, and why people were initially attracted to it. Then industries that needed a permanent summer, like certain types of engineering and movie productions, brought in our huge population.</p>
<p> </p> I can see that. I was wonder…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3562992012-10-01T14:49:56.740ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>I can see that. I was wondering what Balboa had to say about it. It doesn't seem to have discouraged people from settling there.</p>
<p>I can see that. I was wondering what Balboa had to say about it. It doesn't seem to have discouraged people from settling there.</p> Along with our smog there is…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3562302012-10-01T14:27:18.498ZJohn Michael Brantinghamhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMichaelBrantingham
<p>Along with our smog there is a natural haze. Because of the direction of the wind and the configuration of our mountains, nothing in the air can escape the area.</p>
<p>Along with our smog there is a natural haze. Because of the direction of the wind and the configuration of our mountains, nothing in the air can escape the area.</p> I didn't know. Amazing. Whe…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3562272012-10-01T13:36:07.113ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>I didn't know. Amazing. Where did the smoke come from?</p>
<p>I didn't know. Amazing. Where did the smoke come from?</p> When Captain Balboa sailed by…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3562232012-10-01T13:33:46.663ZJack Getzehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
<p>When Captain Balboa sailed by Los Angeles in the 16th century, he called it the Valley of Smoke.</p>
<p>When Captain Balboa sailed by Los Angeles in the 16th century, he called it the Valley of Smoke.</p> Nice description, John. Poll…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3564922012-10-01T11:55:29.475ZVictoria Doughertyhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/VictoriaDougherty
<p>Nice description, John. Pollution is gritty and violent, while fog is, well, mysterious and violent, isn't it? It also seems to me that pollution - like the Cold War - is more morally vague. The good guys really get their hands dirty, whereas, in a foggy noir thriller there seems to be a starker contrast between right and wrong, good and bad. Not always, but often.</p>
<p>Nice description, John. Pollution is gritty and violent, while fog is, well, mysterious and violent, isn't it? It also seems to me that pollution - like the Cold War - is more morally vague. The good guys really get their hands dirty, whereas, in a foggy noir thriller there seems to be a starker contrast between right and wrong, good and bad. Not always, but often.</p> As you say this is just a mat…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-10-01:537324:Comment:3564812012-10-01T02:22:56.084ZJohn Michael Brantinghamhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMichaelBrantingham
<p>As you say this is just a matter of opinion, but I like my novels gritty. Pollution is great for that. I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s and 80s and I could go outside and watch the smog rolling in the way that a San Franciscan can watch fog. With the smog always came heat and the crime that goes with it. To me a gritty novel just feels right in the choking smog of the city.</p>
<p>As you say this is just a matter of opinion, but I like my novels gritty. Pollution is great for that. I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s and 80s and I could go outside and watch the smog rolling in the way that a San Franciscan can watch fog. With the smog always came heat and the crime that goes with it. To me a gritty novel just feels right in the choking smog of the city.</p>