I need your help! - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T11:22:37Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/i-need-your-help?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A231534&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe chase/fight scene at the…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-07:537324:Comment:2318622010-04-07T13:11:11.864ZJon Loomishttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JonLoomis
The chase/fight scene at the climax of my #2 changes POV numerous times between my detective, his sidekick and the bad guy. I think it works pretty well as a dramatic device, in that particular case. So I'm not sure there are any hard and fast rules about POV and fight scenes. As for sex scenes--I don't necessarily think there are any rules about leaving the physical stuff to the imagination, either. As I said above, what people like to do in bed says a lot about them, but if we never see what…
The chase/fight scene at the climax of my #2 changes POV numerous times between my detective, his sidekick and the bad guy. I think it works pretty well as a dramatic device, in that particular case. So I'm not sure there are any hard and fast rules about POV and fight scenes. As for sex scenes--I don't necessarily think there are any rules about leaving the physical stuff to the imagination, either. As I said above, what people like to do in bed says a lot about them, but if we never see what they like to do, we'll never have access to those often very telling "secret" preferences. Every time I read this commen…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-07:537324:Comment:2318612010-04-07T13:01:49.271ZJon Loomishttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JonLoomis
Every time I read this comment it cracks me up, Jack. True in my case, too.
Every time I read this comment it cracks me up, Jack. True in my case, too. Hi Cornelius, the most memora…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-05:537324:Comment:2316492010-04-05T10:48:34.087ZGaile Hugheshttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/GaileHughes
Hi Cornelius, the most memorable sex scene I have read was by Nelson DeMille in his book 'Gold Coast', his character John Sutter and his wife Susan were astride her horse, having a merry old time. I still chuckle when I try and visualise the dynamics. If you haven't read Gold Coast and the (same characters) 2008 'The Gate House', may I thoroughly recommend them, his 'John Sutter' observations and narrations are pure brain candy. For fight scenes, here are a few I have hunted out for you, David…
Hi Cornelius, the most memorable sex scene I have read was by Nelson DeMille in his book 'Gold Coast', his character John Sutter and his wife Susan were astride her horse, having a merry old time. I still chuckle when I try and visualise the dynamics. If you haven't read Gold Coast and the (same characters) 2008 'The Gate House', may I thoroughly recommend them, his 'John Sutter' observations and narrations are pure brain candy. For fight scenes, here are a few I have hunted out for you, David Baldacci's 'The Whole Truth' P's 171 & 257. Michael Connelly's 'Bosch' (luv this character) in one of his recent books 'Nine Dragons' P 284/5, also Clive Cussler's characters Pitt and Giordino certainly mix it up, try 'Atlantis Found' 2 para P 99. I agree with I.J., Lee Child's Reacher, now there's a man who likes a scrap, anyhow hope it helps, have fun..... Just my opinion:
Violence -…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-04:537324:Comment:2316272010-04-04T21:26:38.347ZBobhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
Just my opinion:<br />
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Violence - must be written with vivd description of settings, movement and all the players without leaving the POV (as per Lee Child)<br />
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Sex - is the converse of the action scene - it must be written from the emotions and thoughts of the POV character. The physical actions can be left to the imagination of the reader. Even introducing whisical thoughts can enhance the scene.<br />
Smiles<br />
Bob
Just my opinion:<br />
<br />
Violence - must be written with vivd description of settings, movement and all the players without leaving the POV (as per Lee Child)<br />
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Sex - is the converse of the action scene - it must be written from the emotions and thoughts of the POV character. The physical actions can be left to the imagination of the reader. Even introducing whisical thoughts can enhance the scene.<br />
Smiles<br />
Bob I vote for Sex Gone Awry in S…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-04:537324:Comment:2316032010-04-04T06:59:18.374ZJack Getzehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
I vote for Sex Gone Awry in Strange Ways. In my case, it's write what you know.
I vote for Sex Gone Awry in Strange Ways. In my case, it's write what you know. Maybe that's why I remember B…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-04:537324:Comment:2315992010-04-04T02:35:07.630ZJude Hardinhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/festus
Maybe that's why I remember Block's--some of his were funny.<br />
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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/nov/19/bad-sex-factor-prize-shortlist" target="_blank">Here's the short list</a> for the most recent Bad Sex Awards, hosted annually by The Guardian. Some of these are hilarious, but for all the wrong reasons.
Maybe that's why I remember Block's--some of his were funny.<br />
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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/nov/19/bad-sex-factor-prize-shortlist" target="_blank">Here's the short list</a> for the most recent Bad Sex Awards, hosted annually by The Guardian. Some of these are hilarious, but for all the wrong reasons. See, there's the thing. Sex s…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-04:537324:Comment:2315982010-04-04T02:11:22.842ZJon Loomishttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JonLoomis
See, there's the thing. Sex scenes are boring if the characters are boring and the scenes progress and (wait for it) climax in pretty much the expected ways. It's not about hanging from the chandelier--it's about the characters being real and engaging and vulnerable and funny and...sexy. It's more about what they think and what they say than what their bodies are doing (I'd argue that the same is true of a good fight scene). You're right, though--most genre sex scenes feel kind of rote or…
See, there's the thing. Sex scenes are boring if the characters are boring and the scenes progress and (wait for it) climax in pretty much the expected ways. It's not about hanging from the chandelier--it's about the characters being real and engaging and vulnerable and funny and...sexy. It's more about what they think and what they say than what their bodies are doing (I'd argue that the same is true of a good fight scene). You're right, though--most genre sex scenes feel kind of rote or obligatory. You have to like writing them to even have a shot at doing them well, I think. And it helps to have a sense of humor. Sex gone somewhat awry is a lot more interesting (and realistic) than sex in which everything's mutually orgasmarific. But really, how many ways are…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-04:537324:Comment:2315972010-04-04T01:29:24.367ZJude Hardinhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/festus
But really, how many ways are there to fuck? Sex scenes are boring, IMO, and most of them just end up sounding silly.
But really, how many ways are there to fuck? Sex scenes are boring, IMO, and most of them just end up sounding silly. John M's right. How people fu…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-03:537324:Comment:2315882010-04-03T21:49:29.274ZJon Loomishttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JonLoomis
John M's right. How people fuck tells us a lot about them. Ditto how they fight. The important thing for me is to try to avoid cliché as much as possible when I go abroad in these well-traveled territories.
John M's right. How people fuck tells us a lot about them. Ditto how they fight. The important thing for me is to try to avoid cliché as much as possible when I go abroad in these well-traveled territories. Thanks for the reply. Good ad…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-04-03:537324:Comment:2315342010-04-03T04:50:39.723ZCornelius Butterfieldhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CorneliusButterfield
Thanks for the reply. Good advice. I'll have to build the relationship, for the good guys/gals. My antagonists will indulge in the kinkier activities. (Better to read about it than watch it on the web, I think. You're right, could get lost and not find my way back.)
Thanks for the reply. Good advice. I'll have to build the relationship, for the good guys/gals. My antagonists will indulge in the kinkier activities. (Better to read about it than watch it on the web, I think. You're right, could get lost and not find my way back.)