Multiple Orgasms - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T23:32:02Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/multiple-orgasms?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A366098&feed=yes&xn_auth=noVery true. The same goes for…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-24:537324:Comment:3663822013-01-24T18:07:04.092ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Very true. The same goes for his choice of genre and subject matter. The Romans knew that Circuses are big crowd pleasers. </p>
<p>Very true. The same goes for his choice of genre and subject matter. The Romans knew that Circuses are big crowd pleasers. </p> "you can't really protect you…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-24:537324:Comment:3663792013-01-24T17:04:16.607ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
<p>"<span>you can't really protect yourself from being misunderstood or misinterpreted."</span></p>
<p><span>Good point. At some point every writer has to have an idea of the intended audience, notably how smart they are as readers. Best sellers often seem bland and dumbed-down to some people because they are written to appeal to as broad a base as possible. (Not all best sellers do this, but many.) As soon as a writer makes certain stylistic choices--voice, POV, how much to explain and how…</span></p>
<p>"<span>you can't really protect yourself from being misunderstood or misinterpreted."</span></p>
<p><span>Good point. At some point every writer has to have an idea of the intended audience, notably how smart they are as readers. Best sellers often seem bland and dumbed-down to some people because they are written to appeal to as broad a base as possible. (Not all best sellers do this, but many.) As soon as a writer makes certain stylistic choices--voice, POV, how much to explain and how much to leave to the reader to figure out--the potential audience shifts.</span></p> That's how it looks to me, Jo…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-24:537324:Comment:3663562013-01-24T02:49:38.131ZCammy May Hunnicutthttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>That's how it looks to me, John.</p>
<p>Anything that derails the reader is a screw-up, right?</p>
<p>And that's what I meant by subjective--you have no way of knowing who the reader is or how smart or clueless or picky they are.</p>
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<p>It just hit me that maybe that's why people come up with these "rules". Because otherwise it's this really vague situation of what people get from what you say.</p>
<p>But it seems to me that that's the way it is and you can't really protect yourself…</p>
<p>That's how it looks to me, John.</p>
<p>Anything that derails the reader is a screw-up, right?</p>
<p>And that's what I meant by subjective--you have no way of knowing who the reader is or how smart or clueless or picky they are.</p>
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<p>It just hit me that maybe that's why people come up with these "rules". Because otherwise it's this really vague situation of what people get from what you say.</p>
<p>But it seems to me that that's the way it is and you can't really protect yourself from being misunderstood or misinterpreted.</p> Well, it depends on the reade…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3663552013-01-23T21:47:46.423ZJohn McFetridgehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>Well, it depends on the reader, right? Anything that pulls you out of the narrative. The most common for me is when I start wondering, "Now how would they know that?"</p>
<p>Elmore Leonard uses changing pov (or viewpoint character, if you prefer) very effectively.</p>
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<p>Well, it depends on the reader, right? Anything that pulls you out of the narrative. The most common for me is when I start wondering, "Now how would they know that?"</p>
<p>Elmore Leonard uses changing pov (or viewpoint character, if you prefer) very effectively.</p>
<p> </p> Yeah, that's what makes sense…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3662962013-01-23T20:26:19.916ZCammy May Hunnicutthttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>Yeah, that's what makes sense to me. It's only a problem if it's a problem.</p>
<p>If nobody has trouble following you, you're doing fine, it would seem. </p>
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<p>And, I'm guessing you could lose them by only changing per scene if you really work at it. Or really suck or something.</p>
<p>Yeah, that's what makes sense to me. It's only a problem if it's a problem.</p>
<p>If nobody has trouble following you, you're doing fine, it would seem. </p>
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<p>And, I'm guessing you could lose them by only changing per scene if you really work at it. Or really suck or something.</p> Yep, that's what it means. (…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3661312013-01-23T20:24:32.756ZCammy May Hunnicutthttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>Yep, that's what it means. (Although I think we can leave God out if) </p>
<p>Frankly, I find that whole "in the head" thing kind of useless.</p>
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<p>And, yeah, you could switch to another narrator in another chapter. Or scene. Or sentence.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
<p>Yep, that's what it means. (Although I think we can leave God out if) </p>
<p>Frankly, I find that whole "in the head" thing kind of useless.</p>
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<p>And, yeah, you could switch to another narrator in another chapter. Or scene. Or sentence.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p> "Omniscient" implies that the…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3662092013-01-23T14:27:24.621ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>"Omniscient" implies that the author is God and knows what everybody is thinking at any given moment, so there is no head-hopping that jerks the reader out of one chacater's head into another's without warning. With first-person you are in the Narrator's ("I") head and nobody else's. You can switch to another first-person narrator in another chapter.</p>
<p>"Omniscient" implies that the author is God and knows what everybody is thinking at any given moment, so there is no head-hopping that jerks the reader out of one chacater's head into another's without warning. With first-person you are in the Narrator's ("I") head and nobody else's. You can switch to another first-person narrator in another chapter.</p> All of the definitions cited…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3663472013-01-23T14:23:34.168ZI. J. Parkerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>All of the definitions cited refer to the same thing, though perhaps "viewpoint character" is a little clearer than "narrator." An author can signal a change by a break in the chapter or a chapter change and by referring to the new character right away. When authors do not signal, the reader may become confused who is telling/observing the scene. A mid-sentence head-hopping is an extreme case sometimes practiced by romance writers who want to depict mutual arousal.</p>
<p>All of the definitions cited refer to the same thing, though perhaps "viewpoint character" is a little clearer than "narrator." An author can signal a change by a break in the chapter or a chapter change and by referring to the new character right away. When authors do not signal, the reader may become confused who is telling/observing the scene. A mid-sentence head-hopping is an extreme case sometimes practiced by romance writers who want to depict mutual arousal.</p> Looked at your book on Amazon…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3663452013-01-23T13:39:15.219ZJack Getzehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
<p>Looked at your book on Amazon. You don't need to learn POV, or even fiction, as far as I could tell. Cammy May is the only character talking. You write first person memoirs.</p>
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<p>Seems to me you go out of your way to argue, not learn.</p>
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<p>Looked at your book on Amazon. You don't need to learn POV, or even fiction, as far as I could tell. Cammy May is the only character talking. You write first person memoirs.</p>
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<p>Seems to me you go out of your way to argue, not learn.</p>
<p></p> BTW, poking around trying to…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-01-23:537324:Comment:3661182013-01-23T02:58:55.881ZCammy May Hunnicutthttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>BTW, poking around trying to figure this out, I ran into a couple of folks saying some version of, "if you're writing in third person omniscient you can't 'head-hop'."</p>
<p>Which was interesting. And, thinking about it, I figure that you also can't "head hop" in first person, either, right?</p>
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<p>But there are worse things than head-hopping, I'd say. </p>
<p>Like hip-hopping.</p>
<p>BTW, poking around trying to figure this out, I ran into a couple of folks saying some version of, "if you're writing in third person omniscient you can't 'head-hop'."</p>
<p>Which was interesting. And, thinking about it, I figure that you also can't "head hop" in first person, either, right?</p>
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<p>But there are worse things than head-hopping, I'd say. </p>
<p>Like hip-hopping.</p>