"Spinetingler" Submission Problems? - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T16:38:56Zhttp://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/spinetingler-submission-problems?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A368668&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou're up next!tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-12:537324:Comment:3688942013-03-12T17:31:51.306ZJack Getzehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
<p>You're up next!</p>
<p>You're up next!</p> I've found Spinetingler a lit…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-12:537324:Comment:3691762013-03-12T17:10:31.336ZJ. E. Seymourhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JESeymour
<p>I've found Spinetingler a little slow, but I've found other publications to be non-responsive, so I'm okay with slow. I've been submitting stories to them for years and am thrilled to finally have one accepted. Hoping it will come out soon. :-)</p>
<p>I've found Spinetingler a little slow, but I've found other publications to be non-responsive, so I'm okay with slow. I've been submitting stories to them for years and am thrilled to finally have one accepted. Hoping it will come out soon. :-)</p> Dear Ms. Ruttan,
OK, makes se…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-10:537324:Comment:3688772013-03-10T21:32:47.524ZJed Powerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JedPower
<p>Dear Ms. Ruttan,</p>
<p>OK, makes sense. Still, I wouldn't want all publications to adopt the release with submission policy.</p>
<p>As Jack suggested, I'll submit a story when Spinetingler site is up and working. If story is rejected I will make a donation then, but not until Jack or you say it is appropriate.</p>
<p>I hope you feel better.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Jed Power</p>
<p>Dear Ms. Ruttan,</p>
<p>OK, makes sense. Still, I wouldn't want all publications to adopt the release with submission policy.</p>
<p>As Jack suggested, I'll submit a story when Spinetingler site is up and working. If story is rejected I will make a donation then, but not until Jack or you say it is appropriate.</p>
<p>I hope you feel better.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Jed Power</p> I certainly don't want to pou…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-10:537324:Comment:3688732013-03-10T15:40:49.877ZSandra Ruttanhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Sandramre
<p>I certainly don't want to pour gas on a fire that's dying out. :)</p>
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<p>I have to generally just say that it's not appropriate for us to consider donations and submissions simultaneously.</p>
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<p>I feel bad to have left Jack in the weeds out here on his own, but I've spent the last few days sick on the couch, and have come to this late. I thank those who've engaged in the conversation, on both sides of the coin. </p>
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<p>As the original face of Spinetingler, I'm the…</p>
<p>I certainly don't want to pour gas on a fire that's dying out. :)</p>
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<p>I have to generally just say that it's not appropriate for us to consider donations and submissions simultaneously.</p>
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<p>I feel bad to have left Jack in the weeds out here on his own, but I've spent the last few days sick on the couch, and have come to this late. I thank those who've engaged in the conversation, on both sides of the coin. </p>
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<p>As the original face of Spinetingler, I'm the most aware of all the issues that have gone into each decision along the way. The learning curve has been enormous. Very early on, we were threatened with a lawsuit. However, we'd had a version of that release in use, and had it for the story in question, and the other publication (in Australia, if memory serves) backed off from coming after us. Basically, the writer thought they could sell first worldwide rights in two parts of the world and nobody would find out. </p>
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<p>Now, I developed the release based off of other releases I'd seen. We used to read submissions that didn't have the release; however, we learned that some of those writers felt that meant they weren't beholden to the terms of submission, and in some cases when we asked for the release to publish them, either never got any response, or they pulled the submission.</p>
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<p>I'm a writer. Jack's a writer. We know the challenges writers face. However, I'm keenly aware that every writer who wastes an editor's time is limiting that editor's time to look at my submission, or get back to me faster. Some editors are assholes. Some are unprofessional. </p>
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<p>And some writers are unprofessional, too.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I've got a small $h!t list. That first writer who almost got us sued is on it. A writer who, after their story was accepted - officially - and went through edits with Jack at length, who then, only a short time before scheduled publication, pulled their story, saying they were going to enter it in a contest. They accepted their acceptance, they worked with Jack at length, they abused his time and took his insights and editorial feedback and then walked.</p>
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<p>The only people who are on that list are people who have put me in legal hot water or significantly wasted my time, or the time of someone else on the team. To be clear: nobody in this discussion. In fact, I'd have to dig very deep to even remember the name of the guy who almost got us sued. Writers are really free to express their opinion and say what they want. And absolutely, if they don't like our terms, we're okay with that - they can go elsewhere. Not a problem. I much prefer people discuss the issue on venues like this than e-mail me and try to argue directly with me about it. (Nobody here did - I'm just saying, people have argued over rejections and all manner of stuff in the past. I started off believing we'd be so understanding of writers and their concerns. I soon realized why some editors were so frustrated sometimes.)</p>
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<p>I think the 15 month window in the release may not really be applicable now. Spinetingler started back in 2005. Before e-books and KDP and Smashwords started changing the game. An anthology back then meant pulling stories and printing the anthology through a self-publishing venue, so it was more time-consuming. The anthology Spinetingler did that way was held under my ex-husband in our divorce, and I don't believe it's for sale anymore. </p>
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<p>It may be appropriate for us to reconsider that time-frame wording in the release.</p>
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<p>That, of course, assumes we ever get control of our site back, since it was hacked a few days ago.</p> What John said. Best of luck.tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-09:537324:Comment:3688672013-03-09T21:25:15.307ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
<p>What John said. Best of luck.</p>
<p>What John said. Best of luck.</p> Nice to have things cleared u…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-09:537324:Comment:3691532013-03-09T19:37:50.382ZJohn McFetridgehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
Nice to have things cleared up, good luck with your story, Jed.
Nice to have things cleared up, good luck with your story, Jed. I have received private e-mai…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-09:537324:Comment:3690662013-03-09T15:01:14.228ZJed Powerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JedPower
<p>I have received private e-mails that were not too pleased with my recent posts. One by someone I highly respect who told me some things about Spinetingler and expressed the opinion that I was out of line. I don't feel good about this; I had no intention of upsetting anyone.</p>
<p>So, to hopefully show I have no problem with Spinetingler per se, but only had a concern about three issues (no response in 14 months, no response to e-mail inquiries & the release with submission) I will…</p>
<p>I have received private e-mails that were not too pleased with my recent posts. One by someone I highly respect who told me some things about Spinetingler and expressed the opinion that I was out of line. I don't feel good about this; I had no intention of upsetting anyone.</p>
<p>So, to hopefully show I have no problem with Spinetingler per se, but only had a concern about three issues (no response in 14 months, no response to e-mail inquiries & the release with submission) I will tomorrow submit a short story to Spinetingler with the required release for their publishing consideration.</p>
<p>Also tomorrow I will have Dark Jetty Publishing make a donation to Spinetingler.</p>
<p>I apologize for anyone I upset. Again, it was not my intention.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Jed Power </p> "But if even one writer was a…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-09:537324:Comment:3688632013-03-09T02:35:10.765ZDana Kinghttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
<p>"<span>But if even one writer was afraid to respond to the post because of imagined negative repercussions, that is one too many."</span></p>
<p><span>The key phrase here is "imagined negative repercussions," notably "imagined." No one else seems to see these negative repercussions. Spinetingler is not responsible for the overly active imaginations of prospective authors, who would themselves do well to putting more of that imagination into their writing than into imagining the publishing…</span></p>
<p>"<span>But if even one writer was afraid to respond to the post because of imagined negative repercussions, that is one too many."</span></p>
<p><span>The key phrase here is "imagined negative repercussions," notably "imagined." No one else seems to see these negative repercussions. Spinetingler is not responsible for the overly active imaginations of prospective authors, who would themselves do well to putting more of that imagination into their writing than into imagining the publishing industry is out to get them.</span></p> Well, it's been a long time s…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-08:537324:Comment:3689552013-03-08T21:25:54.766ZJohn McFetridgehttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>Well, it's been a long time since I submitted something on spec (I've been with the same publisher for a few books now) but I do remember sending query letters and sample chapters and every publisher who asked to see the entire manuscript wanted to know if anyone else was also reading it before they woulod look at it.</p>
<p>I guess it was different for short stories, but I'm pretty sure most publications at least want to know BEFORE they read something if it is a multiple…</p>
<p>Well, it's been a long time since I submitted something on spec (I've been with the same publisher for a few books now) but I do remember sending query letters and sample chapters and every publisher who asked to see the entire manuscript wanted to know if anyone else was also reading it before they woulod look at it.</p>
<p>I guess it was different for short stories, but I'm pretty sure most publications at least want to know BEFORE they read something if it is a multiple submission.</p>
<p>I'm still not seeing the problem. The magazine is asking that you not submit it anywhere else while they're looking at it. Is the problem because it's a short story? Because every major publisher wants to know if they are the only one looking at a manuscript - that's why they ask you to query first and not to send in the manuscript.</p>
<p> </p> 1. Yes, it is possible that m…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2013-03-08:537324:Comment:3689542013-03-08T21:08:15.699ZJed Powerhttp://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JedPower
<p>1. Yes, it is possible that many writers do not see it as a big deal. But if even one writer was afraid to respond to the post because of imagined negative repercussions, that is one too many. And by the number and content of the responses, I am convinced there were some. Also, many writers, I believe, would think it a big deal if most publications glommed onto the procedure and required a release WITH submission and BEFORE acceptance.</p>
<p>2. I never said Spinetingler blackballed…</p>
<p>1. Yes, it is possible that many writers do not see it as a big deal. But if even one writer was afraid to respond to the post because of imagined negative repercussions, that is one too many. And by the number and content of the responses, I am convinced there were some. Also, many writers, I believe, would think it a big deal if most publications glommed onto the procedure and required a release WITH submission and BEFORE acceptance.</p>
<p>2. I never said Spinetingler blackballed writers. I said some writers may be afraid of that possibility.</p>
<p>3. I have not expressed any disagreement with the 15 month requirement.</p>
<p>4. OK, John and Dana, I understand. You would be quite happy if ALL publications required release forms WITH submissions and BEFORE acceptance. I, and I'm sure others, would not.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Jed </p>
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