So I made a mistake that I make every so often, I read Dorthy L.



There were some posts about Casino Royale so I just had to check them out.



These people need drug testing, or maybe they need to do drugs, or drink, they need to do the opposite of whatever it is they do.



"The new bond is wimpy and effeminate, There's not enough action, I turned it off half way through..."



Wimpy??? Did they not see the ass kicking going on in the stiarway??
The fight through the embassy wasn't bad either! ( wimpy?!!??)



I think this is the best Bond since Sean Connery, hands down. The last one with Pierce Brosnon was a disgrace. Invisible cars? God save me... It was all special effect and the story was pretty lame. And I love John Cleese, but he has no place in a goddamn James Bond movie.



I think the realisn of this move made it work. And I love the scene at the end with Daniel Craig in a three piece suit holding a big ass gun getting ready to fuck up the master mind behind all the evil done in this movie.



And if you need special effects, how about a whole damn building sinking into the water, that was all kinds of all right.



Casino Royale fucking rocked.









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Comment by Jordan Dane on May 3, 2007 at 9:40am
I haven't been to a Bond movie fan for quite awhile, but this Bond totally rocks. I thought it was interesting they did the Casino Royale precursor to the more established Bond formula when the guy was less sophicated and not the accomplished womanizer he later became. Very clever way to add life to an old formula and Daniel Craig is great for this role. They also relied less on special effects and made the fight scenes much more realistic and brutal. With Craig at the helm, I might actually come back to watching Bond movies again.
Comment by Dana Kaye on March 22, 2007 at 12:58am
Fuckin-A, Jon, rant on. Casino Royale rocked!
Comment by Tim Maleeny on March 21, 2007 at 5:00pm
I've got nothing against Dorothy L, but Craig is as good as Connery, and the movie rocked. It was true to the book but an even better story, more complex. And anyone who doesn't dig Craig should watch Layer Cake at least ten times and then shut the fuck up.
Comment by Jeremy Lynch on March 18, 2007 at 4:00pm
Casino Royale was the best Bond in a very long time.

Wimpy? Somebody has been freebasing little Friskies.
Comment by Jon Jordan on March 18, 2007 at 1:54am
The 20,000 number I saw somewhere and I can't remeber where. It was in conjunction with people who have read Dorthy-L 3200 does sound much more plausible.

They are nice enough people, I just disagree with a lot of what is said there. Of course like any large group only the vocal ones are heard.

The Rec.Arts.Mystery newsgroup is a place I used to spend a lot of time. Nowadays almost no mystery discusions at all, but I still have some very good friends I met there. Including some guy named Chercover who I think wrote a book or something.
Comment by Sandra Ruttan on March 18, 2007 at 1:40am
John, is there something I'm missing re: DL readership - 20,000? The list says it's mailed out to 3200 subscribers - geez. No wonder so many people lurk.

I went no mail on DL. I seemed to find myself feeling angry or annoyed reading most posts and I was running out of walls to punch holes into. I prefer 4MA.
Comment by Jon Jordan on March 17, 2007 at 4:16pm
Harry,

Dorthy-L is indeed where a a judge decided to rant about the choice for the winner. It was an author who has probably sold tens of books. I might add that if she really works at it she might one day be a lower midlist author.

I have nothing about people bitching about things, but be smart. You don't shit where you work, and going on a forum that is read by over 20,000 people and complaining about the Edgars was just dumb. The truth is, authors usually need other authors, for a variety of reasons. Pissing off a whole bunch of them, while violating a privacy argreement is just dumb.

I save my negative thoughts that could be damaging for phone conversations and in person. Part of that is becaus eif it turns out I was wrong, I don't want it hanging around for eternity on the Web.

And Karen:
Layer Cake was a great movie. You are very right. I love the ending, totally unexpected. Great UK crime movie.
Comment by Laura Benedict on March 17, 2007 at 3:32pm
When I think about Daniel Craig in "Casino Royale," I can only say, "EEEEEEEEEEE--Whoop Whoop!" Speechless, utterly speechless. And I adore Sean Connery. DC cannot replace him, but only add a new dimension to the franchise. My honey bought us the DVD yesterday, and it's just sitting there. Waiting....Do I sound like I'm twelve, or what?
Comment by Karen from AustCrime on March 17, 2007 at 12:35pm
Layer Cake was an absolutely superb movie and this from somebody that rarely, if ever, watches movies.... Haven't seen Casino Royale needless to say, but isn't it the same whinging every time there's a new Bond added to the fact that this Bond is a bit edgier?
Comment by Stephen Blackmoore on March 17, 2007 at 6:47am
Craig's a pussy. You want a real Bond? George Lazenby. Hands down. Or maybe Woody Allen.

Okay, seriously, Casino Royale is my favorite Bond film. To see them go back to what made the Bond novels so compelling was amazing. I personally think that Craig made a better Bond than Connery, though I don't think you can really compare them.

The Connery films were a product of their time and there are directions Casino Royale could go in today that I don't think they could pursue as well back in the Sixties.

Bond's a thug, and Craig pulled that off remarkably well.

As to DorothyL, well, everybody's got opinions and every list has its own personality and its own ways of looking at things and reacting.

DorothyL gets somewhat... vocally indiscreet, let's say, from time to time. Just like Rara-Avis goes all wonky when somebody mentions Altman's version of The Long Goodbye.

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