Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T12:56:26Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:114032?id=537324%3ATopic%3A114032&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe original film was very sp…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-18:537324:Comment:1165252008-01-18T21:53:21.786ZNick Lawlesshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/nickmor71
The original film was very special to me, came along at that perfect moment of my awkward teen years and introduced me to "real" science fiction (not Star Wars or Star Trek, both of which I also loved and are not without their own merits). Even at 13, I knew this was a different sci-fi story with "balls" to it, had the audacity to paint a darker future world without jet packs and laser swords. "Blade Runner" and Cameron's film got me into Gibson, Heinlein, Dick, Ellison - writers with messages…
The original film was very special to me, came along at that perfect moment of my awkward teen years and introduced me to "real" science fiction (not Star Wars or Star Trek, both of which I also loved and are not without their own merits). Even at 13, I knew this was a different sci-fi story with "balls" to it, had the audacity to paint a darker future world without jet packs and laser swords. "Blade Runner" and Cameron's film got me into Gibson, Heinlein, Dick, Ellison - writers with messages that transcended their chosen genre.<br />
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I'm really torn on this series. "Terminator 2" and "3" weren't of my generation, so they didn't really do anything for me and, frankly, I was a bit disappointed by Cameron cashing in on the idea, no matter how much technology he invented while doing so. I felt that he kind of cheapened the ambiguity of the original's ending. But I also know that those films, "Terminator 2" in particular, were equally great for kids of the next generation, kids very similar to me when I saw the original. So when I saw the fact that a series was being made and read about a 4th film in development (Christian Bale as John Connor? Who saw that one coming? He might be good, but sounds like a paycheck film to me.), I had mixed feelings. If it inspires some kid to go pick up the original film or some of the amazing literature that inspired the idea, fantastic. However, I can't help but feel like the show's a half-assed attempt to cash in on the popularity of the film(s) and will ultimately just peter out and get buried when the 4th film comes out. Judging by the first couple episodes... I think I'm right. TV's a different medium, I know, and can't afford to go nearly as dark as the original film did, but it's getting a little too close to Dawson's Creek territory for me. And how far can you even take it before it starts to contradict the films' timeline? I'll give it one more episode. But I have a feeling that'll be it for me. I am tempted to be caustic ab…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-17:537324:Comment:1157782008-01-17T15:33:38.459ZElizabeth Zelvinhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/lizzelvin
I am tempted to be caustic about this show, after all the hype, but will merely say that I found it completely lacking in suspense, an element that mere chases and explosions can't provide. Compare and contrast with the first season of "24."
I am tempted to be caustic about this show, after all the hype, but will merely say that I found it completely lacking in suspense, an element that mere chases and explosions can't provide. Compare and contrast with the first season of "24." there was an article in Enter…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-15:537324:Comment:1152072008-01-15T20:07:06.212ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
there was an article in Entertainment Weekly a couple weeks ago that said the problem with most sci-fi on TV and in the movies today is that there's nothing new, it's all based on something from thirty or forty years ago. Or more.<br />
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I liked <i>Firefly</i>, partly because it was new and fresh. People tell me <i>Battlestar Gallactica</i> bears no resemblance at all to the original, but it must have something the same besides the title.<br />
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I just don't think there's much left in what was a pretty…
there was an article in Entertainment Weekly a couple weeks ago that said the problem with most sci-fi on TV and in the movies today is that there's nothing new, it's all based on something from thirty or forty years ago. Or more.<br />
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I liked <i>Firefly</i>, partly because it was new and fresh. People tell me <i>Battlestar Gallactica</i> bears no resemblance at all to the original, but it must have something the same besides the title.<br />
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I just don't think there's much left in what was a pretty flimsy premise to make more <i>Terminator</i> episodes.<br />
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Although, the second episode did have some humour. I don't see Cameron Phillips…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-15:537324:Comment:1152022008-01-15T20:03:56.975ZGerald Sohttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/gerald986
I don't see Cameron Phillips as a huge contrast from Arnold's original T-800. They're both robots. The strange, stilted River Tam was still human, and humans are inherently more interesting to me than robots. (Sorry, Twiki. Sorry, Data. Sorry Seven-of-Nine...)<br />
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I also don't think <i>Sarah Connor</i> is as well written as <i>Firefly</i>. As I mentioned above, why was John Connor using the most thinly-veiled alias John Reese? The show would be smarter, IMO, if Cameron hadn't been revealed as a…
I don't see Cameron Phillips as a huge contrast from Arnold's original T-800. They're both robots. The strange, stilted River Tam was still human, and humans are inherently more interesting to me than robots. (Sorry, Twiki. Sorry, Data. Sorry Seven-of-Nine...)<br />
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I also don't think <i>Sarah Connor</i> is as well written as <i>Firefly</i>. As I mentioned above, why was John Connor using the most thinly-veiled alias John Reese? The show would be smarter, IMO, if Cameron hadn't been revealed as a Terminator so soon after John met her. On <i>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</i>, for example, Buffy has a crush on Angel for seven episodes before she learns he's a vampire. And even then he's not just a vampire, but a vampire looking to atone. I love Firefly, but I don't t…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-15:537324:Comment:1151872008-01-15T19:38:55.485ZBill Criderhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/macavityabc
I love <i>Firefly</i>, but I don't think <i>Sarah Connor</i> is going to work for me. I did try the second episode, but I lost interest at the point of the "throw someone through the Sheetrock" scene. I'd seen that one the night before and didn't need to see it again.
I love <i>Firefly</i>, but I don't think <i>Sarah Connor</i> is going to work for me. I did try the second episode, but I lost interest at the point of the "throw someone through the Sheetrock" scene. I'd seen that one the night before and didn't need to see it again. I agree on the 'give it some…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-15:537324:Comment:1151792008-01-15T19:33:58.056ZMaryann Mercerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/catsmom
I agree on the 'give it some time' concept. Some of the better TV series were not strong for the first year and then broke out as supershows. I'm not happy the show is on FOX...their reputation for impatience with the ratings has killed a couple of well-written shows, Joss Whedon's Firefly as one example. Keep in mind too that John's protector as an attractive yet lethal female is a huge contrast to Arnold's hulking presence, which can definitely open up possibilities. I liked the time-jump. It…
I agree on the 'give it some time' concept. Some of the better TV series were not strong for the first year and then broke out as supershows. I'm not happy the show is on FOX...their reputation for impatience with the ratings has killed a couple of well-written shows, Joss Whedon's Firefly as one example. Keep in mind too that John's protector as an attractive yet lethal female is a huge contrast to Arnold's hulking presence, which can definitely open up possibilities. I liked the time-jump. It gives the writers and the actors some leeway with various situations, culture shock, etc, without keeping them in the 20th Century. Just don't use it so often that it loses its surprise factor. Hey, it's time travel. That's…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-15:537324:Comment:1151232008-01-15T17:11:18.939ZCharles A. Kinghttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/jeeks43
Hey, it's time travel. That's really hard to setup with so much story already out there, so many people's familiarity with the characters and plots. It feels like, having watched both--Tivo btw is a great way to catch so-so shows-- that they're attempting to jump over the third movie with the time travel bit, free themselves of that box, and strike out on their own. ... It's interesting. I'd give it another couple of tries before writing it off. Too, Sci-fi television never seems to start out…
Hey, it's time travel. That's really hard to setup with so much story already out there, so many people's familiarity with the characters and plots. It feels like, having watched both--Tivo btw is a great way to catch so-so shows-- that they're attempting to jump over the third movie with the time travel bit, free themselves of that box, and strike out on their own. ... It's interesting. I'd give it another couple of tries before writing it off. Too, Sci-fi television never seems to start out great, it has to get its legs sort of speak.<br />
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Charles I don't understand your impat…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-15:537324:Comment:1150062008-01-15T06:29:13.395ZTom Barclayhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/MacCZpilot
I don't understand your impatience.<br />
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But consider this; the client is FOX TV and the production team is made up largely of X-FILES alumni. Imagine the expectations and network demands.<br />
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Think of it from that point of reference, and give them a decent chance to spin up.<br />
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I'm a tough audience, and my wife is even tougher. We think they're doing pretty well, especially having to pick up a story arc that's long gone cold.
I don't understand your impatience.<br />
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But consider this; the client is FOX TV and the production team is made up largely of X-FILES alumni. Imagine the expectations and network demands.<br />
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Think of it from that point of reference, and give them a decent chance to spin up.<br />
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I'm a tough audience, and my wife is even tougher. We think they're doing pretty well, especially having to pick up a story arc that's long gone cold. I agree, Gerald. I'm not sure…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-14:537324:Comment:1149112008-01-14T23:39:51.864ZBill Criderhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/macavityabc
I agree, Gerald. I'm not sure I'll bother with the second episode, but I'm wavering.
I agree, Gerald. I'm not sure I'll bother with the second episode, but I'm wavering. I found the first episode ble…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-01-14:537324:Comment:1147882008-01-14T18:10:44.033ZGerald Sohttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/gerald986
I found the first episode bleak and humorless with no rooting interest. Sure, John Connor is the future of humankind, but the episode showed no reason why he was worth saving. Some reviews said this was deeper than the mindless thrill-rides of the movies, but I have yet to see that. I don't just want to see Summer Glau kick butt. I want to care about her character, but no matter how sophisticated, she's still a robot. River's got it all over Cameron Phillips.<br />
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At least <b>T2</b> had funny…
I found the first episode bleak and humorless with no rooting interest. Sure, John Connor is the future of humankind, but the episode showed no reason why he was worth saving. Some reviews said this was deeper than the mindless thrill-rides of the movies, but I have yet to see that. I don't just want to see Summer Glau kick butt. I want to care about her character, but no matter how sophisticated, she's still a robot. River's got it all over Cameron Phillips.<br />
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At least <b>T2</b> had funny moments.<br />
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John Connor was using the name John Reese. Is it any wonder the Terminators caught up with him?