new copyright law - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T19:56:28Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:147293?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A147562&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm not altogether sure where…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-25:537324:Comment:1479162008-06-25T20:39:06.335ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
I'm not altogether sure where we're headed with this. The current U.S. copyright laws seem satisfactory to me. They protect me and my heirs against others profiting from my work. Use of material for educational purposes has always been tolerated. I doubt any author would refuse premission. Use of material to augment another's book must be acknowledged in the text or you have a case of plagiarism.<br />
The existence of electronic copying does raise some questions, especially when certain powerful…
I'm not altogether sure where we're headed with this. The current U.S. copyright laws seem satisfactory to me. They protect me and my heirs against others profiting from my work. Use of material for educational purposes has always been tolerated. I doubt any author would refuse premission. Use of material to augment another's book must be acknowledged in the text or you have a case of plagiarism.<br />
The existence of electronic copying does raise some questions, especially when certain powerful entities like Google resort to wholesale and careless copying without the author's permission. (In my case, one of the google-book texts managed to give away the solution of the mystery). It sure is. It's pretty much…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-25:537324:Comment:1479122008-06-25T20:16:56.340ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
It sure is. It's pretty much transferring it from publishers, studios and record companies to phone companies and internet providors. I'm sure they'll work it out between themselves (I don't know if we'll still get the few scraps we've been getting).<br />
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I see it as an amusement park and the shift from paying for each ride individually the way we used to, to a "play all day pass," like they have now.<br />
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I'm not sure why people aren't worried about more big brother/government control when everything…
It sure is. It's pretty much transferring it from publishers, studios and record companies to phone companies and internet providors. I'm sure they'll work it out between themselves (I don't know if we'll still get the few scraps we've been getting).<br />
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I see it as an amusement park and the shift from paying for each ride individually the way we used to, to a "play all day pass," like they have now.<br />
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I'm not sure why people aren't worried about more big brother/government control when everything we now (or very soon) acquire will come, if not from the same source, then through the same line.<br />
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It's always been illegal for teachers and students to photocopy things and it was never a problem unless it was abused. I find it frustrating sometimes that there's been such a denial of the abuse that's been going on. Even from artists.<br />
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Yes, where's the middle ground? Yes, that all sounds reasonab…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-23:537324:Comment:1475722008-06-23T21:36:26.264ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
Yes, that all sounds reasonable. It would be so nice to have some reasonable discussion around this topic.<br />
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Yes, that all sounds reasonable. It would be so nice to have some reasonable discussion around this topic.<br />
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Thanks! I'm with you on this. The vas…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-23:537324:Comment:1475702008-06-23T21:23:14.685ZBarbara Fisterhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
I'm with you on this. The vast majority of books covered by copyright are out of print and it's very difficult to find out who owns the rights. (The author vanished, the publisher is out of business...) There's currently "orphan works" legislation in the works in the US, but it's codifying a very high standard for research that will defeat most uses of this work, so essentially - most publications can't be used. It's a huge problem for scholars and anyone else who wants to quote or teach from a…
I'm with you on this. The vast majority of books covered by copyright are out of print and it's very difficult to find out who owns the rights. (The author vanished, the publisher is out of business...) There's currently "orphan works" legislation in the works in the US, but it's codifying a very high standard for research that will defeat most uses of this work, so essentially - most publications can't be used. It's a huge problem for scholars and anyone else who wants to quote or teach from a work that is out of print and the rightsholders are awol. I think it would be good for…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-23:537324:Comment:1475672008-06-23T21:00:13.848ZJohn Dishonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/whiteskwirl
I think it would be good for copyright to last 10 years, and then you have to manually renew it. You could renew it online and for free. That way, the stuff that isn't being used anymore can go into public domain, and those that want to hang onto ownership, can easily. Win win.
I think it would be good for copyright to last 10 years, and then you have to manually renew it. You could renew it online and for free. That way, the stuff that isn't being used anymore can go into public domain, and those that want to hang onto ownership, can easily. Win win. I guess in something with as…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-23:537324:Comment:1475652008-06-23T20:46:51.497ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
I guess in something with as much constant change as technology we can't expect to carve something in stone. And artists have always had a tough time with rights on their own because they usually have to partner with someone if they want to move from pure art into art for money. That's where it gets tricky. I know some people would say the fight those third parties vs artists, but it's not that simple, either.<br />
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Unfortunately this is a debate which gets hysterical pretty quickly. It would be…
I guess in something with as much constant change as technology we can't expect to carve something in stone. And artists have always had a tough time with rights on their own because they usually have to partner with someone if they want to move from pure art into art for money. That's where it gets tricky. I know some people would say the fight those third parties vs artists, but it's not that simple, either.<br />
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Unfortunately this is a debate which gets hysterical pretty quickly. It would be nice to see some reasonable discussion. I can't find any online, that's for sure. This law (I'm Canadian) is ri…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-23:537324:Comment:1475622008-06-23T20:24:32.972ZJeff Rosshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JeffRoss
This law (I'm Canadian) is ridiculous. It has little to do with artists rights, unfortunatley. The Canadian gov (Conservative, minority, hated) spoke with US lobyists, yet didn't bother to speak to a single Canadian group that has anything to do with music or entertainment here. Luckily the gov will get a good battle out of this in the fall. Or at least we hope so. They need to make something that actually works.
This law (I'm Canadian) is ridiculous. It has little to do with artists rights, unfortunatley. The Canadian gov (Conservative, minority, hated) spoke with US lobyists, yet didn't bother to speak to a single Canadian group that has anything to do with music or entertainment here. Luckily the gov will get a good battle out of this in the fall. Or at least we hope so. They need to make something that actually works. I'm not sure why everyone aut…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-23:537324:Comment:1474262008-06-23T00:19:05.021ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
I'm not sure why everyone automatically feels that art would be priced out of reach if royalty fees had to paid. It's not like Dickens outsells all those people being paid royalties now. Royalties make up such a small percentage of the cost, I don't see how it makes much difference.<br />
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I guess I can see that maybe I'd want to use some other writer's characters in something and I might not make them look good, so I wouldn't want to ask permission. But it does feel rude.
I'm not sure why everyone automatically feels that art would be priced out of reach if royalty fees had to paid. It's not like Dickens outsells all those people being paid royalties now. Royalties make up such a small percentage of the cost, I don't see how it makes much difference.<br />
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I guess I can see that maybe I'd want to use some other writer's characters in something and I might not make them look good, so I wouldn't want to ask permission. But it does feel rude. To put it succinctly: Pay me…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-22:537324:Comment:1474052008-06-22T22:14:13.614ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
To put it succinctly: Pay me for my work!<br />
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Essentially that means everyone who reads a book should pay something to make it possible for the author to live and go on working.<br />
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We have discussed elsewhere the protection that exists for music which is sold much the same way books are. I think books should be similarly protected.
To put it succinctly: Pay me for my work!<br />
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Essentially that means everyone who reads a book should pay something to make it possible for the author to live and go on working.<br />
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We have discussed elsewhere the protection that exists for music which is sold much the same way books are. I think books should be similarly protected. Interesting for sure.
It loo…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-06-22:537324:Comment:1473362008-06-22T14:54:53.109ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
Interesting for sure.<br />
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It looks right now like the struggle is between 'users' to lower the seventy years to zero, and corporate owners looking to extend it to infinity.<br />
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As usual, the artists are nowhere in the discussion.<br />
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A few years ago I would have given it to the owners of Mickey Mouse in a walk, but new corporate entities (suppliers of internet connections, mostly) have a stake in the zero ends of things and they have lobbyists, too.<br />
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I think the lifetime plus seventy is still a good…
Interesting for sure.<br />
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It looks right now like the struggle is between 'users' to lower the seventy years to zero, and corporate owners looking to extend it to infinity.<br />
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As usual, the artists are nowhere in the discussion.<br />
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A few years ago I would have given it to the owners of Mickey Mouse in a walk, but new corporate entities (suppliers of internet connections, mostly) have a stake in the zero ends of things and they have lobbyists, too.<br />
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I think the lifetime plus seventy is still a good compromise (well, no, I wish what I create could benefit my kids, even just a tiny bit, but i see the need to compromise).