Okay, so why are hitmen so popular? - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T11:22:19Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:158459?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A158720&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThats why I like Block's Kell…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-14:537324:Comment:1600252008-09-14T23:41:26.888ZCameron Hugheshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CameronHughes
Thats why I like Block's Keller so much. Decidedly not a good guy.
Thats why I like Block's Keller so much. Decidedly not a good guy. I think they just fill the sa…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-07:537324:Comment:1589962008-09-07T13:02:16.470ZStuart MacBridehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Macbride
I think they just fill the same niche as the Gun Slinger in popular fiction.
I think they just fill the same niche as the Gun Slinger in popular fiction. Just to clarify, I didn't say…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-05:537324:Comment:1588802008-09-05T20:30:56.039ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
Just to clarify, I didn't say, "tool of the system," that's from an article in The Guardian (linked to above).<br />
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But it is interesting. We've talked before here on Crimespace about vigilante justice and how very, very few writers seem to be able to find drama and conflict within "the system." I think a lot of old-style noir was about the conflict of at least <i>trying</i> to live within the system.<br />
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It's really the main thing I loved about <i>The Sopranos</i>, the central conflict of Tony…
Just to clarify, I didn't say, "tool of the system," that's from an article in The Guardian (linked to above).<br />
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But it is interesting. We've talked before here on Crimespace about vigilante justice and how very, very few writers seem to be able to find drama and conflict within "the system." I think a lot of old-style noir was about the conflict of at least <i>trying</i> to live within the system.<br />
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It's really the main thing I loved about <i>The Sopranos</i>, the central conflict of Tony wanting to be a respected businessman and also loving the power that came with being a mob guy. If he was happy being just a mob guy he wouldn't have been as interesting -- well, I guess you see that with the rest of the characters in the show and that's why they weren't the main character. Hey John...
While not addres…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-05:537324:Comment:1588772008-09-05T20:20:56.160ZJohn Boundyhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnBoundy
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While not addressing the good guy image, to me, the dark freedom from societal rules a hitman lives with is part of the draw. Much like the character the Kurgan from the movie Highlander. He was an evil, evil guy but he did as he pleased with these mere humans without regard. In a perverse way there is an esctacy in that lack of restraint. "To burn out before he fades away..."<br />
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As far as your statement of hitman being "a mere tool of the system", I think they actually are tools…
Hey John...<br />
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While not addressing the good guy image, to me, the dark freedom from societal rules a hitman lives with is part of the draw. Much like the character the Kurgan from the movie Highlander. He was an evil, evil guy but he did as he pleased with these mere humans without regard. In a perverse way there is an esctacy in that lack of restraint. "To burn out before he fades away..."<br />
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As far as your statement of hitman being "a mere tool of the system", I think they actually are tools outside the operating zone of the system. I made that point in my book Justice is Coming. The antagonist used the system to feed his wealth, but has an evil doer, the dark man, who does his bidding outside the system to keep things running smoothly. But in the end the antagonist meets a surprise ending at the hands of an unexpected person who also stepped outside the system to seek justice because that was the only way it would be achieved.<br />
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Oh, and if you look on my page at the cover of Justice, no I don't romanticize hitmen, not me!<br />
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Just my two cents (hopefully worth the price of the copper to make them...) I presume. There was a dateli…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-04:537324:Comment:1587202008-09-04T15:03:57.711ZDeirdrehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Deirdre
I presume. There was a dateline special a couple of weeks ago about an entertainer who hired a "hit-woman" to kill his wife. It was a complicated story and the woman wasn't really a "hit-woman" and she worked with the police to nail him, but the attempt was made. He even told her how to kill his wife.<br />
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Deirdre
I presume. There was a dateline special a couple of weeks ago about an entertainer who hired a "hit-woman" to kill his wife. It was a complicated story and the woman wasn't really a "hit-woman" and she worked with the police to nail him, but the attempt was made. He even told her how to kill his wife.<br />
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Some people...<br />
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Deirdre The rest of this got deleted…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-04:537324:Comment:1587062008-09-04T12:27:07.311ZDeirdrehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Deirdre
The rest of this got deleted somehow during the save. (it was better written the first time.)<br />
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I think all people who are in our military, whatever job they do are admirable. They all do hard jobs. So, I hope you didn't infer that I dislike what our military does.<br />
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However, if you believe that the United States, and United Nations don't have contracts out via military snipers, to get Bin-Laden, or Castro, and others, you are sadly mistaken. And I heard recently there may be one on Obama, if he…
The rest of this got deleted somehow during the save. (it was better written the first time.)<br />
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I think all people who are in our military, whatever job they do are admirable. They all do hard jobs. So, I hope you didn't infer that I dislike what our military does.<br />
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However, if you believe that the United States, and United Nations don't have contracts out via military snipers, to get Bin-Laden, or Castro, and others, you are sadly mistaken. And I heard recently there may be one on Obama, if he gets elected, to cause a race war in America and put us under Marshall Law. Just a government rumor.<br />
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I liked some of the comments below talking about the gray areas. "But the personality of the p…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-04:537324:Comment:1587042008-09-04T12:25:26.303ZDana Kinghttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/DanaKing
"But the personality of the person who can do that work whether for good or for evil is the same,"<br />
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Not at all. They <i>can</i> be the same, but yours is too great an assumption to make. I lack the skill, but if the Army had chosen to make me a sniper, I would have done it. I would never consider killing anyone for money.
"But the personality of the person who can do that work whether for good or for evil is the same,"<br />
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Not at all. They <i>can</i> be the same, but yours is too great an assumption to make. I lack the skill, but if the Army had chosen to make me a sniper, I would have done it. I would never consider killing anyone for money. I've let my son play grand th…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-04:537324:Comment:1587022008-09-04T11:48:49.262ZDeirdrehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Deirdre
I've let my son play grand theft auto, God of War, and several others. The hitman one, I do have a problem with, in letting him own it and play it until he defeats it. I am sure he has played a trial version here, which is where I decided I didn't like the theme. The other games didn't seem that bad to me. Some games seem like the "M" rating is over doing it some.<br />
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Deirdre
I've let my son play grand theft auto, God of War, and several others. The hitman one, I do have a problem with, in letting him own it and play it until he defeats it. I am sure he has played a trial version here, which is where I decided I didn't like the theme. The other games didn't seem that bad to me. Some games seem like the "M" rating is over doing it some.<br />
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Deirdre I don't see why. They are bot…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-04:537324:Comment:1587002008-09-04T11:45:49.527ZDeirdrehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Deirdre
I don't see why. They are both killing people. Whether its to better governments and for the welfare of our country or the price of Money. Granted the sniper is a much more moral and honorable way to go. But the personality of the person who can do that work whether for good or for evil is the same, its just the reason for which they do it that makes it honorable or dishonorable.<br />
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Deirdre
I don't see why. They are both killing people. Whether its to better governments and for the welfare of our country or the price of Money. Granted the sniper is a much more moral and honorable way to go. But the personality of the person who can do that work whether for good or for evil is the same, its just the reason for which they do it that makes it honorable or dishonorable.<br />
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Deirdre He reads more mystery type, b…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2008-09-04:537324:Comment:1586982008-09-04T11:39:00.849ZDeirdrehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Deirdre
He reads more mystery type, but he prefers non-fiction material.<br />
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I have to watch and make sure he gets variety. He did a report on serial killers last year. But he also likes to read the encyclopedia so, I try not to worry too much.<br />
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Deirdre
He reads more mystery type, but he prefers non-fiction material.<br />
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I have to watch and make sure he gets variety. He did a report on serial killers last year. But he also likes to read the encyclopedia so, I try not to worry too much.<br />
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Deirdre