BSP Part 2 - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T16:46:42Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/537324:Topic:16197?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A17753&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTall order, pal. Seems like m…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-06:537324:Comment:193382007-04-06T17:19:29.985ZMiss DaMeanerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/LisaWriter
Tall order, pal. Seems like midlisters need a Handling staff -- you know, publicity People. Someone to slap your mug on the front of the National Enquirer or at least on the supermarket racks for those impulse buyers since the Oprah-Franzen falling-out and the end of the daytime television push. <br />
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So what the heck does your agent do for you - just get a publisher? And how the heck did Michael Koryta get his books in Walmart? Tell me that, my friend, and maybe we can figure out this problem.
Tall order, pal. Seems like midlisters need a Handling staff -- you know, publicity People. Someone to slap your mug on the front of the National Enquirer or at least on the supermarket racks for those impulse buyers since the Oprah-Franzen falling-out and the end of the daytime television push. <br />
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So what the heck does your agent do for you - just get a publisher? And how the heck did Michael Koryta get his books in Walmart? Tell me that, my friend, and maybe we can figure out this problem. Yep. Barbara is a big distrac…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-06:537324:Comment:191052007-04-06T03:41:52.583ZMiss DaMeanerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/LisaWriter
Yep. Barbara is a big distraction.
Yep. Barbara is a big distraction. Thanks for this info, Barbara.tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-03:537324:Comment:177532007-04-03T16:27:13.353ZRobert Gregory Brownehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/RobGregoryBrowne
Thanks for this info, Barbara.
Thanks for this info, Barbara. And, if anyone's interested,…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-03:537324:Comment:177462007-04-03T16:00:09.169ZBarbara Fisterhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
And, if anyone's interested, they have <a href="http://www.placonference.org/exhibits.cfm">info on their exhibit room</a> costs, etc. It seems as if it's something MWA or Sisters in Crime might want to do. <br />
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If you're wondering whether the Public Library Association is an audience worth the price of admission, I looked up their attendance at their last conference - over 11,000 people, many of whom spend your tax dollars on books! Lots of books!
And, if anyone's interested, they have <a href="http://www.placonference.org/exhibits.cfm">info on their exhibit room</a> costs, etc. It seems as if it's something MWA or Sisters in Crime might want to do. <br />
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If you're wondering whether the Public Library Association is an audience worth the price of admission, I looked up their attendance at their last conference - over 11,000 people, many of whom spend your tax dollars on books! Lots of books! I agree, and while I agree ne…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-01:537324:Comment:166832007-04-01T03:15:39.238ZSandra Ruttanhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Sandramre
I agree, and while I agree new authors can be cut a bit of slack, I actually don't find them to the be the worst. For example, on one listserv I'm on there's an author who has several books to their credit who seems to bring almost every subject back to their books. If I named names the worst offenders, in my opinion, would not be new authors, although there are some that are tiresome. But as I said before, bsp is in the eye of the beholder. What's too much for one may not even phase another...
I agree, and while I agree new authors can be cut a bit of slack, I actually don't find them to the be the worst. For example, on one listserv I'm on there's an author who has several books to their credit who seems to bring almost every subject back to their books. If I named names the worst offenders, in my opinion, would not be new authors, although there are some that are tiresome. But as I said before, bsp is in the eye of the beholder. What's too much for one may not even phase another... Absolutely, Jon. Mentioning y…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-01:537324:Comment:166702007-04-01T02:12:30.348ZAngiehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/slackerwriter
Absolutely, Jon. Mentioning your books, short stories, whatever on your page, in your blog posts and chatter walls is totally okay. And I like visiting pages and seeing what folks are up to - what they're reading and writing. I've bought 4 books in the past week because I was reminded of writers I've been meaning to check out.<br />
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My issue is exactly what I said above. The intention behind crimespace is to provide a place for crime fic. writers & readers to meet and chat. If you see someone…
Absolutely, Jon. Mentioning your books, short stories, whatever on your page, in your blog posts and chatter walls is totally okay. And I like visiting pages and seeing what folks are up to - what they're reading and writing. I've bought 4 books in the past week because I was reminded of writers I've been meaning to check out. <br />
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My issue is exactly what I said above. The intention behind crimespace is to provide a place for crime fic. writers & readers to meet and chat. If you see someone interesting & want to go hang out in their living room (personal page), then you'd expect to hear a bit more about what they're up to (books out, short stories pub'd, etc.). <br />
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What crimespace is NOT, is a place set up strictly as a promotional tool to sell books to readers. We've got plenty of venues for that already. Are people chatting on crimespace and then doing business together? You bet. Do I have a problem with that? Hell, no. <br />
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I get the impression that some folks jumped in without reading the basic info. As long as people take a minute to check out the FAQs on the main page, I don't think we'll have a big problem worrying about what's okay and what's not so very. The guidelines are pretty simple and low-key.<br />
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And hey, I'm not the freakin' hall monitor. You can have whatever opinion you want. I'm just pointing out what the intended function is and where to find the ground rules for this uber-cool crime fic. site. Really, that's all I'm sayin'. hehetag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-01:537324:Comment:166662007-04-01T01:44:01.796ZBill Cameronhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/bcameron
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hehe I think BSP goes beyond just…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-04-01:537324:Comment:166472007-04-01T00:50:49.301ZEvil Kevhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/EvilKev
I think BSP goes beyond just promoting your book. You, as the author, are the product as well. I have heard of people avoiding panels because of a single person on it, not buying a magazine or an anthology because someone they can’t stand is in it.<br />
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I have forgiveness for new author who BSP because they don’t know better. They just need guidance and they will see that is not the right way to get their name out there,<br />
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My concern is with entitlement BSP.<br />
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I am aware for example of authors…
I think BSP goes beyond just promoting your book. You, as the author, are the product as well. I have heard of people avoiding panels because of a single person on it, not buying a magazine or an anthology because someone they can’t stand is in it. <br />
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I have forgiveness for new author who BSP because they don’t know better. They just need guidance and they will see that is not the right way to get their name out there,<br />
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My concern is with entitlement BSP.<br />
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I am aware for example of authors canceling out of a conference because they didn’t get on a panel or angry because they are not getting on the "right" panel or because they got in trouble for displaying their book while they are on the panel even though they were told not to.<br />
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I’ve also read interviews where the author is so obnoxious and self-important that I just want to find them and punch them.<br />
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Earth to author, you’re not that great.<br />
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I have a simple way to tell if you are an annoying self-promoting butthead. It is a simple point system. Google yourself and score what you see in the following ways:<br />
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-1 points for you talking about how in love are with yourself<br />
0 points for you talking about your book<br />
5 points for friends talking about you and how great you are.<br />
10 points for friends who are talking about your book, short story, etc.<br />
15 points for you talking about your book in an interview<br />
25 points for reviews by third parties talking about your book, short story, etc.<br />
50 points for a reader who you don’t know talking about your book, short story, etc.<br />
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So if you look at your top 20 hits and you have less than 100 points, its time to hit BSP anonymous. <br />
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The more distant the promotion is from you, the more valid it is. Speaking as a reader who seem…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-03-31:537324:Comment:165472007-03-31T23:32:51.942ZSunnie Gillhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/sunniefromoz
Speaking as a reader who seems to have a finely tuned BSP antenna. No, Jack, I don't regard having a tuna pic as your photo is BSP. It's in similar territory as an email signature line. You participate in discussions and it's just there as a little nudge to remind people. If, on the other hand you were trying to bring every topic back around to telling everyone about your book, that's BSP. What you were doing with your pic is simple promotion.
Speaking as a reader who seems to have a finely tuned BSP antenna. No, Jack, I don't regard having a tuna pic as your photo is BSP. It's in similar territory as an email signature line. You participate in discussions and it's just there as a little nudge to remind people. If, on the other hand you were trying to bring every topic back around to telling everyone about your book, that's BSP. What you were doing with your pic is simple promotion. good, clean, nerdy fun?tag:crimespace.ning.com,2007-03-31:537324:Comment:165252007-03-31T23:09:53.223ZAnne Frasierhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/annefrasier
good, clean, nerdy fun?
good, clean, nerdy fun?