Crime writing? Or merely criminal? - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T14:35:59Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/crime-writing-or-merely-criminal?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A349684&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI once heard a scientist who…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-18:537324:Comment:3496842012-07-18T12:10:01.228ZJackson Burnetthttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JacksonBurnett
<p>I once heard a scientist who studied brain function say that every act of perception is an act of creation and every act of memory is an act of imagination. Cammy seems to be saying the event is provocative. John seems to be saying that the craft of the storytelling is lacking. Brian's observation confirms Kieko's writing is provocative. Cammy, you might take a look at Truman Capote's <em>Music for Chameleons</em>. The stories are all fact-based, but he disregards the distinction…</p>
<p>I once heard a scientist who studied brain function say that every act of perception is an act of creation and every act of memory is an act of imagination. Cammy seems to be saying the event is provocative. John seems to be saying that the craft of the storytelling is lacking. Brian's observation confirms Kieko's writing is provocative. Cammy, you might take a look at Truman Capote's <em>Music for Chameleons</em>. The stories are all fact-based, but he disregards the distinction between fiction and nonfiction.</p> If you're a subscriber there,…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-18:537324:Comment:3495262012-07-18T03:27:55.801ZCammy May Hunnicutthttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>If you're a subscriber there, feel free to re-post it.</p>
<p>If you're a subscriber there, feel free to re-post it.</p> :)tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-17:537324:Comment:3494262012-07-17T19:17:32.271ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
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<p>:)</p> I think this thread belongs i…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-17:537324:Comment:3495062012-07-17T15:29:26.149ZBrian Hoffmanhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BrianHoffman
<p>I think this thread belongs in PornSpace not CrimeSpace.</p>
<p>I think this thread belongs in PornSpace not CrimeSpace.</p> Well, I kind of meant gravita…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-16:537324:Comment:3496502012-07-16T19:36:13.419ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>Well, I kind of meant gravitate towards messed up people, but however you want to look at it, I guess.... ;)</p>
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<p>Well, I kind of meant gravitate towards messed up people, but however you want to look at it, I guess.... ;)</p>
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<p>You mean deliberately set up situations in order to mess people up for them?</p>
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<p>You mean deliberately set up situations in order to mess people up for them?</p>
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<p></p> It's very tricky. I was one o…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-16:537324:Comment:3494892012-07-16T19:27:57.385ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>It's very tricky. I was one of the writers on a TV show based on the executive producer's life - there were a lot of issues in that room over, "But it really happened," and "but the story..." That show ran on CBS for three weeks. Sometimes non-fiction is the way to go.</p>
<p>Sure, lots of people deny things about people they're sexually involved with, all I'm saying is it might have been a more interesting (though less commercially successful ;) story if she hadn't denied what was going on…</p>
<p>It's very tricky. I was one of the writers on a TV show based on the executive producer's life - there were a lot of issues in that room over, "But it really happened," and "but the story..." That show ran on CBS for three weeks. Sometimes non-fiction is the way to go.</p>
<p>Sure, lots of people deny things about people they're sexually involved with, all I'm saying is it might have been a more interesting (though less commercially successful ;) story if she hadn't denied what was going on in herself. Or if she'd at least wondered about it. Maybe she's attracted to guys she knows have the capability to be lie and be violent and to cheat on her (drug dealing cop, so living a lie already) because she actually looks forward to the confrontation?</p>
<p> </p> Well, like I said, it's not f…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-16:537324:Comment:3493992012-07-16T17:38:19.411ZCammy May Hunnicutthttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>Well, like I said, it's not fiction. </p>
<p>I'm looking at working with her on a mutual project that is sold as fiction, but is very much rooted in actual experience.</p>
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<p>But come to think of it, I'm not sure it works that way with "obvious". My impression is that a lot of people look the other way and deny things about people they're sexually involved with, but when the delictus gets flagrant they flip out and react stronger because their released emotions have been locked…</p>
<p>Well, like I said, it's not fiction. </p>
<p>I'm looking at working with her on a mutual project that is sold as fiction, but is very much rooted in actual experience.</p>
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<p>But come to think of it, I'm not sure it works that way with "obvious". My impression is that a lot of people look the other way and deny things about people they're sexually involved with, but when the delictus gets flagrant they flip out and react stronger because their released emotions have been locked down. </p>
<p></p> Well, I'm sure I'm not the ta…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-16:537324:Comment:3494882012-07-16T17:30:35.502ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>Well, I'm sure I'm not the target audience for this.</p>
<p>I mix a lot of fact and fiction in my stuff, too, but I always feel that the story takes precedent over 'truth' and when I read fiction I don't care at all where the story came from, if any of it is true or none of it - it's either a good story or it isn't.</p>
<p>So, in this case I felt that what she took from the actual events wasn't very interesting. The roommate told her what was coming, anyone over the age of twelve would know…</p>
<p>Well, I'm sure I'm not the target audience for this.</p>
<p>I mix a lot of fact and fiction in my stuff, too, but I always feel that the story takes precedent over 'truth' and when I read fiction I don't care at all where the story came from, if any of it is true or none of it - it's either a good story or it isn't.</p>
<p>So, in this case I felt that what she took from the actual events wasn't very interesting. The roommate told her what was coming, anyone over the age of twelve would know what the guy was up to - so why did it affect her so much when it was so obvious? There are some interesting questions in there but she didn't address them at all. In fact, she ended with a question.</p>
<p>And then we decided it was 'fun,' which it may not be if its real.</p>
<p>The toughest thing about using things from your own life in your fiction is that you have to take an honest look into yourself. Or, you know, you can just write genre... ;).</p>
<p> </p> One thing, John.
This is a re…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-16:537324:Comment:3495512012-07-16T17:07:41.989ZCammy May Hunnicutthttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CammyMayHunnicutt
<p>One thing, John.</p>
<p>This is a recounting of an actual incident.</p>
<p>So maybe it doesn't belong in a crime fiction place. I just got a kick out of it. </p>
<p>I'm also very much exploring, right now, the sort of grey line between fact and fiction.</p>
<p>I'm probably going to start doing some first person stories drawn from my memoir. And Keiko has been doing that quite a bit with her erotica. This is the first time she did any crime stuff and I wanted to see what people like you…</p>
<p>One thing, John.</p>
<p>This is a recounting of an actual incident.</p>
<p>So maybe it doesn't belong in a crime fiction place. I just got a kick out of it. </p>
<p>I'm also very much exploring, right now, the sort of grey line between fact and fiction.</p>
<p>I'm probably going to start doing some first person stories drawn from my memoir. And Keiko has been doing that quite a bit with her erotica. This is the first time she did any crime stuff and I wanted to see what people like you thought.</p>