Is Graphic violence becoming a modern day trend in thriller and mystery writing? - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T09:14:08Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/is-graphic-violence-becoming-a?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A241231&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt is a matter of personal pr…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-21:537324:Comment:2427302010-07-21T08:22:14.243ZBenoit AKoahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenoitAKoa
It is a matter of personal preference.
It is a matter of personal preference. Trend or not, I'd rather do w…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-21:537324:Comment:2426952010-07-21T01:24:04.921ZJackBludishttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JackBludis
Trend or not, I'd rather do without it--not all the way to cozy, however.
Trend or not, I'd rather do without it--not all the way to cozy, however. Okay, now that's a pretty bol…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417552010-07-14T16:41:00.855ZBenoit AKoahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenoitAKoa
<b>Okay, now that's a pretty bold statement.</b><br />
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I said From my experience, definetaly not a generalization. Just <b>From my experience,</b>
<b>Okay, now that's a pretty bold statement.</b><br />
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I said From my experience, definetaly not a generalization. Just <b>From my experience,</b> "...a long-time friend of min…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417542010-07-14T16:36:03.183ZBenoit AKoahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenoitAKoa
<b>"...a long-time friend of mine (she's been a poet for over 40 years) has 7 books with a very reputable university press, has won a number of prestigious awards including a Guggenheim, taught for the Warren Wilson Low Res Program, been a poet in residence at a local college, \published in many journals and at least one anthology. She is a fine poet, a true poet----"</b><br />
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Relative success; every individual must measure personal success to the extent of their capacity and ability. To measure…
<b>"...a long-time friend of mine (she's been a poet for over 40 years) has 7 books with a very reputable university press, has won a number of prestigious awards including a Guggenheim, taught for the Warren Wilson Low Res Program, been a poet in residence at a local college, \published in many journals and at least one anthology. She is a fine poet, a true poet----"</b><br />
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Relative success; every individual must measure personal success to the extent of their capacity and ability. To measure personal success to another, is kin to the pinky expecting to one day be longer than the middle finger—over time it will only result in self deceit, frustration, despair, discouragement, hopelessness and sometimes humiliation.<br />
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Herein lies the problem; how does one measure their own capacity and ability in a capitalist society that teaches that for each individual the sky is the limit, rags to riches, and that the Oprah Winfrey story is potentially for everyone?<br />
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Some say, find your niche and hope for your star to adorn the skies. From my experience, fellow wr…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417522010-07-14T15:39:25.996ZPepper Smithhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Reefrunner
<b>From my experience, fellow writers, unless they know the author on some level, are least likely to recommend a book within their own genre.</b><br />
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Okay, now that's a pretty bold statement. I'm recommending other authors in my genre fairly regularly. If I enjoy an author's works, I'll recommend them, whether I know them personally or not.
<b>From my experience, fellow writers, unless they know the author on some level, are least likely to recommend a book within their own genre.</b><br />
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Okay, now that's a pretty bold statement. I'm recommending other authors in my genre fairly regularly. If I enjoy an author's works, I'll recommend them, whether I know them personally or not. Caroline likes a logic proble…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417512010-07-14T15:22:58.560ZCaroline Trippehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CarolineTrippe
<b>Caroline likes a logic problem.</b><br />
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Hm. Though I was never that good at math, except for plane geometry, and I'm not sure that's actually math. And I wouldn't want to take a test on it....<br />
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Now I'm trying to think of an example of something that's both offensive AND bland....:) This could take awhile. :)<br />
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<b>Would Charlotte's Web, with its numerous references to slaughtering animals, be offensive to people who were animal-rights activists?</b><br />
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In today's world, possibly. Although the whole…
<b>Caroline likes a logic problem.</b><br />
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Hm. Though I was never that good at math, except for plane geometry, and I'm not sure that's actually math. And I wouldn't want to take a test on it....<br />
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Now I'm trying to think of an example of something that's both offensive AND bland....:) This could take awhile. :)<br />
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<b>Would Charlotte's Web, with its numerous references to slaughtering animals, be offensive to people who were animal-rights activists?</b><br />
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In today's world, possibly. Although the whole point of the story was to "save" Wilbur from such a fate. And I suppose people with a fear and loathing of spiders might not care that much for Charlotte.... It also means aesthetic succe…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417502010-07-14T14:56:58.331ZCaroline Trippehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CarolineTrippe
<b>It also means aesthetic success<br />
success to me means you're five or six books in,</b><br />
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Well, this is sort of off the track but a long-time friend of mine (she's been a poet for over 40 years) has 7 books with a very reputable university press, has won a number of prestigious awards including a Guggenheim, taught for the Warren Wilson Low Res Program, been a poet in residence at a local college, \published in many journals and at least one anthology. She is a fine poet, a true poet----but even…
<b>It also means aesthetic success<br />
success to me means you're five or six books in,</b><br />
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Well, this is sort of off the track but a long-time friend of mine (she's been a poet for over 40 years) has 7 books with a very reputable university press, has won a number of prestigious awards including a Guggenheim, taught for the Warren Wilson Low Res Program, been a poet in residence at a local college, \published in many journals and at least one anthology. She is a fine poet, a true poet----but even she feels sometimes that she is a "dying breed" of poet, as the MFA programs churn out more and more young and ambitious poets and poet wannabees. She does give readings, but she doesn't earn a living from her books---she laughed about how little she's actually made over the years from poetry). Still, I would like to think that after the wheat has been sorted from the chaff, she'll still be a recognized name---when the few people who do read poetry weary of incomprehensible word play! To my way of thinking, she's as successful as any poet could hope to be. She knows it, of course....but in a way, fears for the art/craft of poetry itself. I better stop talking about poetry now or they'll kick me out! :)<br />
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You have, what, two books? That ain't bad, though! Don't stop! And the fairy tales were neve…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417482010-07-14T14:35:59.888ZCaroline Trippehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CarolineTrippe
<b>And the fairy tales were never banned.</b><br />
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But there have been those who wanted to. As a matter of fact (and I just happen to be a bit of an expert on the history of fairy tales) they were not originally written for children. When the Grimms' published the first version of their Marchen, it was so filled with violence that it didn't sell---it was a real clunker, for which they caught a lot of flack---so they "cleaned it up " for subsequent versions. Made mothers into stepmothers, for one…
<b>And the fairy tales were never banned.</b><br />
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But there have been those who wanted to. As a matter of fact (and I just happen to be a bit of an expert on the history of fairy tales) they were not originally written for children. When the Grimms' published the first version of their Marchen, it was so filled with violence that it didn't sell---it was a real clunker, for which they caught a lot of flack---so they "cleaned it up " for subsequent versions. Made mothers into stepmothers, for one thing, and added folksy language and so on. There are still people who think fairy tales are too "dark" for children, but children, it seems, can handle that. (It's the Disney corp. that wants to whitewash all of them---to own copyright on cultural property, and commodify the old stories so little girls will want Rapunzel and Cinderella dolls). Not to get off the track here, since this isn't a fairy tale forum....but you'll get my drift. In the overwhelming number of traditional fairy tales, justice was severely meted out: violence to innocents was punished. So, in a sense, fairy tales have something in common with murder mysteries, do they not? The restoration of order, the exercise of justice. Caroline Trippe
Actually, for…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417342010-07-14T12:09:26.966ZBenoit AKoahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenoitAKoa
<b>Caroline Trippe<br />
Actually, for ME, bad writing is the most offensive thing in any book. Now, there's a fun thread. Just what constitutes BAD WRITING! If anyone wants to go there..."</b><br />
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I'd say bad writing is<br />
Poor plot, one that is everywhere and nowhere--does not flow or move the story forward. Or simply no arc.<br />
Speaking of dramatic or climatic arc, good writing follows a sinusoid pattern where each chapter has a its own climatic arc and in the case of thrillers, the amplitude of the arcs…
<b>Caroline Trippe<br />
Actually, for ME, bad writing is the most offensive thing in any book. Now, there's a fun thread. Just what constitutes BAD WRITING! If anyone wants to go there..."</b><br />
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I'd say bad writing is<br />
Poor plot, one that is everywhere and nowhere--does not flow or move the story forward. Or simply no arc.<br />
Speaking of dramatic or climatic arc, good writing follows a sinusoid pattern where each chapter has a its own climatic arc and in the case of thrillers, the amplitude of the arcs increase as the story moves forward. Bad writing is like a flatlined electrocardiogram in everyway, dead, dead, dead in a room with white walls.<br />
Poor use of dialect or creating bad patterns of speech<br />
Poor dialogue is always a sign of poor writing<br />
Poor voice, where you read the writer and not the characters' opinions where inappropriate.<br />
All characters have the same pattern of speech<br />
Inappropriate use of flashbacks, prologue, epilogue, flash-forwards<br />
Show, show, show or tell, tell, tell<br />
Laundry list descriptions and events.<br />
In fiction, stating opinions that could be grossly debated as fact—Kills the reader in his/her tracks<br />
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Many things constitute bad writing and anyone of them can be enough to kill the reader’s drive depending on the reader. I've read elements of bad writing in almost everybook to date.<br />
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My worst fear is when a fellow writer picks up my book. Fellow writers are merciless and nit-pick. Most of us are always better than the next person unless they are acclaimed and famous. From my experience, fellow writers, unless they know the author on some level, are least likely to recommend a book within their own genre.</b> Which assumptions? :)
The on…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-14:537324:Comment:2417332010-07-14T11:39:55.195ZCaroline Trippehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/CarolineTrippe
<b>Which assumptions? :)<br />
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The ones I disagree with, of course.</b><br />
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I suppose the thing is....you could write a book that would be "entirely inoffensive" to SOME PEOPLE, while others would find at least one offensive element.<br />
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Actually, for ME, bad writing is the most offensive thing in any book. Now, there's a fun thread. Just what constitutes BAD WRITING! If anyone wants to go there...
<b>Which assumptions? :)<br />
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The ones I disagree with, of course.</b><br />
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:D<br />
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I suppose the thing is....you could write a book that would be "entirely inoffensive" to SOME PEOPLE, while others would find at least one offensive element.<br />
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Actually, for ME, bad writing is the most offensive thing in any book. Now, there's a fun thread. Just what constitutes BAD WRITING! If anyone wants to go there...