Know Your Time Frame ... - CrimeSpace2024-03-28T14:02:30Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/know-your-time-frame?feed=yes&xn_auth=noAh. Cool. Like Weegee's camer…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-25:537324:Comment:2435302010-07-25T17:54:56.932Zms.pamilahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/mspamila
Ah. Cool. Like Weegee's camera. I knew those kinds of cameras were the ones used by the press, wondered specifically about law enforcement. It's amazing they were able to capture so much with such cumbersome equipment. So much more technical skill and art went into photography back then.
Ah. Cool. Like Weegee's camera. I knew those kinds of cameras were the ones used by the press, wondered specifically about law enforcement. It's amazing they were able to capture so much with such cumbersome equipment. So much more technical skill and art went into photography back then. Throughout many decades inclu…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-25:537324:Comment:2435182010-07-25T17:17:16.690ZGarry L. McLaughlinhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/GarryLMcLaughlin
Throughout many decades including 30s, 40s, 50s & 60s the most used camera for law enforcement as well as news photographers was the Graflex 4 x 5 graphic camera. You had to darkroom load your sheet film into the carriers and insert one into the camera for each shot. These cameras we used from around 1912 until well into the 1970s.<br />
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Watch any old movie or news reel clip where you see all of the flashbulbs going off and you will see the photographers using the graphic camera. When I started…
Throughout many decades including 30s, 40s, 50s & 60s the most used camera for law enforcement as well as news photographers was the Graflex 4 x 5 graphic camera. You had to darkroom load your sheet film into the carriers and insert one into the camera for each shot. These cameras we used from around 1912 until well into the 1970s.<br />
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Watch any old movie or news reel clip where you see all of the flashbulbs going off and you will see the photographers using the graphic camera. When I started in law enforcement in the late 60s and throughout the 70s we were still using this camera. We slowly changed over to 35 mm single lens reflex cameras in the mid 70s and also used polaroids for instant on the scene shots.<br />
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But the camera you want for your time frame is the 4 x 5 graphic.<br />
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Garry- "Schwab's was where Lana Turn…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-25:537324:Comment:2435162010-07-25T17:02:31.331ZJackBludishttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JackBludis
"Schwab's was where Lana Turner was supposedly discovered by a talent scout for Warner Brothers. Even in 1951, every starlet in waiting wanted to be seen there. Noni was already a starlet at Morgan Studios, but she wanted something bigger."<br />
-----Second Paragraph of "Shadow of the Dahlia" establishes the place and time.<br />
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Hollywood was always full of gorgeous women, and in 1951 there were more of them working as secretaries then there were on the sound stages.<br />
-----First Paragraph of "The Deal…
"Schwab's was where Lana Turner was supposedly discovered by a talent scout for Warner Brothers. Even in 1951, every starlet in waiting wanted to be seen there. Noni was already a starlet at Morgan Studios, but she wanted something bigger."<br />
-----Second Paragraph of "Shadow of the Dahlia" establishes the place and time.<br />
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Hollywood was always full of gorgeous women, and in 1951 there were more of them working as secretaries then there were on the sound stages.<br />
-----First Paragraph of "The Deal Killer," again establishes place and time.<br />
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"You're lucky, Rick. I'm the only homicide detective in L.A. who's not working the Black Dahlia case," he said from behind his wooden desk."<br />
-----Sgt. Marco Sandiri, L.A. Robbery-Homicide, establishes the time frame for "Shadow of the Dahlia," my Shamus nominated PBO.<br />
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I have to give credit to the first editor of my retro-noir fiction who out of frustration e-mailed and wanted to know "When did this happen!"<br />
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But it is not enough to establish the time period. It's also necessary to keep it anchored in that time. True, and they might be wrong…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-25:537324:Comment:2435152010-07-25T16:46:29.730ZJackBludishttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JackBludis
True, and they might be wrong. That's why you do the research. I know many people, some who lived through it, who can't separate the 60s and 70s. What some of them call "The 60s" is really the late 60s and early 70s.
True, and they might be wrong. That's why you do the research. I know many people, some who lived through it, who can't separate the 60s and 70s. What some of them call "The 60s" is really the late 60s and early 70s. This subject is of great inte…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-25:537324:Comment:2435132010-07-25T16:41:34.787Zms.pamilahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/mspamila
This subject is of great interest to me as I write fiction set in the 40's. I have a new project that will be 50's Los Angeles as well. I'd love to know of a source for detailed police procedures, especially as it relates to handling rape victims and vice crimes. I haven't found sources that satisfy my desire for detail.<br />
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Most of the research I've done for my Bella Vista Motel material has come from reading pulp and hardboiled fiction of the period, as well as popular novels and nonfiction from…
This subject is of great interest to me as I write fiction set in the 40's. I have a new project that will be 50's Los Angeles as well. I'd love to know of a source for detailed police procedures, especially as it relates to handling rape victims and vice crimes. I haven't found sources that satisfy my desire for detail.<br />
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Most of the research I've done for my Bella Vista Motel material has come from reading pulp and hardboiled fiction of the period, as well as popular novels and nonfiction from the period, old movies, old radio, old newspapers, documentaries and internet searching. There's a ton of great stuff in the Library of Congress. Listening to interviews with ordinary people is a good way to develop an ear for dialog, period slang and conversational cadence. Taschen has a great series of books organized by decade that are collections of print advertisements and film reviews. A lot of the old radio show collections include the commercials too. Cultural context is not that hard, as there is so much material out there on the web to draw flavor from.<br />
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Gary, do you know of sources of info for crime scene photography from the 40s and 50's? What cameras? Yes, and they'll be picky. An…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-22:537324:Comment:2430532010-07-22T21:45:37.241ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
Yes, and they'll be picky. And they may be wrong.
Yes, and they'll be picky. And they may be wrong. In today's world, any novel s…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-22:537324:Comment:2430392010-07-22T21:10:24.392ZJackBludishttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JackBludis
In today's world, any novel set in 1970 is of necessity a historical novel. The research has to be deep, the times have to sound real. I believe that something so recent to the memory of people alive today also needs a far more precise time frame ... Spring '71, Summer '73, Fall '75, Winter '78. Even if the character never mentions it, the writer has to know who was president, what was going on in the world ... all that stuff. There is an aura that goes with a time that people who may have…
In today's world, any novel set in 1970 is of necessity a historical novel. The research has to be deep, the times have to sound real. I believe that something so recent to the memory of people alive today also needs a far more precise time frame ... Spring '71, Summer '73, Fall '75, Winter '78. Even if the character never mentions it, the writer has to know who was president, what was going on in the world ... all that stuff. There is an aura that goes with a time that people who may have lived through it will certainly remember. Typically at the time of tria…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-22:537324:Comment:2430142010-07-22T20:40:10.315ZJames Robertshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/jimroberts
Typically at the time of trial the witness is asked if the still image "fairly and accurately" represents what he or she saw at the time of the crime. Or, if it's an exterior taken weeks or months later, the witness is asked if this "fairly and accurately" represents the venue. Often the witness will say things to enhance the value of the image ("Yes, but there was some snow that day." "Yes, but the door has been replaced.")<br />
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Rarely does an image stand as a silent witness. It can -- store…
Typically at the time of trial the witness is asked if the still image "fairly and accurately" represents what he or she saw at the time of the crime. Or, if it's an exterior taken weeks or months later, the witness is asked if this "fairly and accurately" represents the venue. Often the witness will say things to enhance the value of the image ("Yes, but there was some snow that day." "Yes, but the door has been replaced.")<br />
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Rarely does an image stand as a silent witness. It can -- store camera catching a crime, for example -- but even then someone typically has to testify that the equipment was in working order and images it captured failry and accurately reflect the events of the date in question.<br />
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Since at least one (and often many witnesses) identifies the still as accurately memorializing the crime scene, digital manipulation concerns are diminished or eliminated. Plus, with digital cameras one usually also has the ability to make a video record, too, and that combined with the digital stills makes complaints about image tampering rare. That has got to be a very imp…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-22:537324:Comment:2430062010-07-22T20:26:45.065ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
That has got to be a very important bit of information.
That has got to be a very important bit of information. Since I have have been out of…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-22:537324:Comment:2430032010-07-22T19:19:11.248ZGarry L. McLaughlinhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/GarryLMcLaughlin
Since I have have been out of Law Enforcement for several years. I called a Captain of one of the departments I am familiar with and ask him your question. He told me that in some cases and some courts will take photos that are computer generated and others won't. The only way they have been able to get around the ones that won't is that each office that uses a camera has has several photo cards with them and at the time of leaving the scene the card is removed and sealed in a evidence bag.…
Since I have have been out of Law Enforcement for several years. I called a Captain of one of the departments I am familiar with and ask him your question. He told me that in some cases and some courts will take photos that are computer generated and others won't. The only way they have been able to get around the ones that won't is that each office that uses a camera has has several photo cards with them and at the time of leaving the scene the card is removed and sealed in a evidence bag. Then it goes through the evidencery produce each time anyone removes the card to view the photos on the card. So in essence, the chain of eveidence is never broken.<br />
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Hope that answer your question.<br />
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Garry-