Mad Men - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T13:00:35Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/mad-men?id=537324%3ATopic%3A345674&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt's social commentary and sa…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-13:537324:Comment:3492702012-07-13T14:12:49.877ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>It's social commentary and satire. It says a lot about corruption in high places and about how people treat each other. A sideline deals with discrimination against women and sex in the workplace. Not much has changed in either area. As for Don Draper, he's someone who is simultaneously fascinated and repelled by this world. Haunted by his past, he is a womanizer who sees his private life disintegrating. Can't say I was happy with the panty-episode either, but the show frequently…</p>
<p>It's social commentary and satire. It says a lot about corruption in high places and about how people treat each other. A sideline deals with discrimination against women and sex in the workplace. Not much has changed in either area. As for Don Draper, he's someone who is simultaneously fascinated and repelled by this world. Haunted by his past, he is a womanizer who sees his private life disintegrating. Can't say I was happy with the panty-episode either, but the show frequently shocks viewers out of their placid watching mode. To make up for that, it usually has a topnotch ending with appropriate music from era.</p> Followed the entire last seas…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-07-13:537324:Comment:3491662012-07-13T03:15:46.417ZRaymond Embrackhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/RaymondEmbrack
<p>Followed the entire last season, didn't miss an episode. Still trying to figure what people see in it. If it were set in the present no one would care. The period setting is hypnotic. Maybe it's a way of watching our parents through a time machine. There was a moment or two where Don Draper reminded me of my father. Now that's acting. People seem to like catching the themes and motifs in each episode but is that writing or cleverness? I don't need to see bloody teen panties or Babyface…</p>
<p>Followed the entire last season, didn't miss an episode. Still trying to figure what people see in it. If it were set in the present no one would care. The period setting is hypnotic. Maybe it's a way of watching our parents through a time machine. There was a moment or two where Don Draper reminded me of my father. Now that's acting. People seem to like catching the themes and motifs in each episode but is that writing or cleverness? I don't need to see bloody teen panties or Babyface getting knocked out again, I want to see the commercials made by the firm and something larger to say about anything. The show seems to be about nothing more than the themes and motifs written into it and the emmy winning formula of seeming more than it is. At the same time so many smart people love this show I wonder if it's just me....</p> Police procedural? I don't c…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-21:537324:Comment:3468642012-06-21T17:02:49.699ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Police procedural? I don't care much for gangs, at least not when I'm supposed to see things their way.</p>
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<p>I may not be able to get BBC America. I know I don't get Justified and Shield.</p>
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<p>Alas MAD MEN seems to have run out of shows for the rest of the summer.</p>
<p>Police procedural? I don't care much for gangs, at least not when I'm supposed to see things their way.</p>
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<p>I may not be able to get BBC America. I know I don't get Justified and Shield.</p>
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<p>Alas MAD MEN seems to have run out of shows for the rest of the summer.</p> There's also a new show comin…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-21:537324:Comment:3463272012-06-21T15:13:22.859ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>There's also a new show coming out this year called "Copper" that looks like it could be good. Set in New York around the same era as the movie "Gangs of New York" it's BBC America's first scripted series.</p>
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<p>There's also a new show coming out this year called "Copper" that looks like it could be good. Set in New York around the same era as the movie "Gangs of New York" it's BBC America's first scripted series.</p>
<p> </p> Absolutely agree ... just fin…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-21:537324:Comment:3465272012-06-21T07:56:28.310ZKeith Dixonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Keithyd
<p>Absolutely agree ... just finished watching Series 5 (downloaded) and it is fantastic. If you look for them you can find lots of parallels and references. So for example Don Draper is a kind of Gatsby figure (I won't give any spoilers!) because of his mid-West origin and how he reinvented himself. Also, in the last series, there are deliberate references to Catcher in the Rye. If you go to the UK's Guardian newspaper website, find the TV page and then look for the blog on Mad Men you'll find…</p>
<p>Absolutely agree ... just finished watching Series 5 (downloaded) and it is fantastic. If you look for them you can find lots of parallels and references. So for example Don Draper is a kind of Gatsby figure (I won't give any spoilers!) because of his mid-West origin and how he reinvented himself. Also, in the last series, there are deliberate references to Catcher in the Rye. If you go to the UK's Guardian newspaper website, find the TV page and then look for the blog on Mad Men you'll find some fantastically erudite and clever interpretations of the show (though beware of finding blogs later than the series you're watching!)</p>
<p>Agree also that The Shield and Justified are fantastic. The Shield was based in part on the Rampart scandal in the LA police a few years ago, and Justified is based on an Elmore Leonard short story, so that's worth its weight in gold right there. The plots are tortuous and clever and the performances are phenomenal (particularly series 2 and 3, with guest-star villains who last the whole series).</p>
<p>I'm only two series into Breaking Bad, but again cable TV has knocked it out of the park. Great show that you sometimes have to watch through your fingers ...</p>
<p>As a Brit, though, I can't stand Downton Abbey (though my partner's a big fan). I don't like those big house period dramas that make out life was something rosier than it actually was. You only have to visit the living and working quarters of those 'below stairs', in real country houses, to see how s**t life probably was for them!</p> I agree (although we are a bi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-20:537324:Comment:3465142012-06-20T17:05:30.676ZJ W Nelsonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JWNelson
<p>I agree (although we are a bit behind on finishing this season, so I won't read any of the other comments). Enjoyable, thoughtful, surprising. Dish TV is threatening to drop AMC and, should they do so, we will be leaving Dish TV behind.</p>
<p>I agree (although we are a bit behind on finishing this season, so I won't read any of the other comments). Enjoyable, thoughtful, surprising. Dish TV is threatening to drop AMC and, should they do so, we will be leaving Dish TV behind.</p> By the way, I cannot get eith…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-19:537324:Comment:3463632012-06-19T14:08:50.917ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>By the way, I cannot get either "Justified" or "The Shield." ??? </p>
<p>By the way, I cannot get either "Justified" or "The Shield." ??? </p> I liked Rubicon, too, but the…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-19:537324:Comment:3463622012-06-19T13:59:25.510ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>I liked Rubicon, too, but there were really two shows - it changed direction quite a bit when they changed the showrunner. Still, I wish it had continued.</p>
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<p>I liked Rubicon, too, but there were really two shows - it changed direction quite a bit when they changed the showrunner. Still, I wish it had continued.</p>
<p></p> I can understand that. The pa…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-19:537324:Comment:3462682012-06-19T13:52:56.590ZRichard Krausshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/RichardKrauss
<p>I can understand that. The pace is pretty slow compared to most shows. The tension is up in season two and the mystery is finally solved in the last episode. A slight teaser for what's coming in three.</p>
<p>I really liked their Rubicon show too, but unfortunately that one was canceled before the mystery unraveled. </p>
<p>I can understand that. The pace is pretty slow compared to most shows. The tension is up in season two and the mystery is finally solved in the last episode. A slight teaser for what's coming in three.</p>
<p>I really liked their Rubicon show too, but unfortunately that one was canceled before the mystery unraveled. </p> My wife said this second seas…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-06-19:537324:Comment:3463502012-06-19T10:23:12.532ZJack Getzehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JGetze
<p>My wife said this second season of THE KILLING was better than the first, but I got so mad at the ending last year, I refused to watch this second season. Maybe I'll have to relent. Every decade or so I make a mistake.</p>
<p>My wife said this second season of THE KILLING was better than the first, but I got so mad at the ending last year, I refused to watch this second season. Maybe I'll have to relent. Every decade or so I make a mistake.</p>