More on the Effects of the Publishing Revolution - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T06:43:50Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/more-on-the-effects-of-the-publishing-revolution?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A360426&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPretty harsh, Brian. Do you…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-24:537324:Comment:3612542012-11-24T21:25:26.120ZJ W Nelsonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JWNelson
<p>Pretty harsh, Brian. Do you include Bernie Sanders of VT among the "scum?" </p>
<p>Pretty harsh, Brian. Do you include Bernie Sanders of VT among the "scum?" </p> Keeping in mind that we (the…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-14:537324:Comment:3604992012-11-14T22:10:38.709ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Keeping in mind that we (the U.S.) share the same language with a lot of other countries, the situation is surely never going to get as dire as in , say, France, Sweden, or Germany. I have a difficult time separating cultures for the English-speaking nations of the world. (Though I have to admit I stumbled a tad over a gun-possession issue in a British mystery recently, so maybe there are big cultural differences).</p>
<p>Keeping in mind that we (the U.S.) share the same language with a lot of other countries, the situation is surely never going to get as dire as in , say, France, Sweden, or Germany. I have a difficult time separating cultures for the English-speaking nations of the world. (Though I have to admit I stumbled a tad over a gun-possession issue in a British mystery recently, so maybe there are big cultural differences).</p> Well, now I hope you're right…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-14:537324:Comment:3604972012-11-14T19:34:39.566ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>Well, now I hope you're right, Eric ;). I am encouraged by self-publishing. I've never really understood the either/or discussions raised by self-publishing as it seems like something that can exist along with traditional publishing.</p>
<p>And really, this discussion here is more about what's dominant rather than what exists. Every developed country, even the US, has a mix of public and private investment in education and culture. It's just a matter of degree, which is dictated by…</p>
<p>Well, now I hope you're right, Eric ;). I am encouraged by self-publishing. I've never really understood the either/or discussions raised by self-publishing as it seems like something that can exist along with traditional publishing.</p>
<p>And really, this discussion here is more about what's dominant rather than what exists. Every developed country, even the US, has a mix of public and private investment in education and culture. It's just a matter of degree, which is dictated by necessity. Up until now American culture has never felt itself to be in any danger of disappearing but we're starting to hear those grumblings so then we'll see what kind of protections come into play.</p>
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<p> </p> I have a sneaking suspicion t…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-14:537324:Comment:3606492012-11-14T15:00:31.430ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
I have a sneaking suspicion that differences in education and culture have a lot to do with this. I believe that most European countries have a far greater number of book readers per capita than the U.S. This country is more involved with public performance (shows, TV, sports, films etc.) than with the introspective solitary occupation with a book.
I have a sneaking suspicion that differences in education and culture have a lot to do with this. I believe that most European countries have a far greater number of book readers per capita than the U.S. This country is more involved with public performance (shows, TV, sports, films etc.) than with the introspective solitary occupation with a book. I'm not sure if - or how far…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-14:537324:Comment:3603412012-11-14T11:28:11.873ZKeith Dixonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Keithyd
<p>I'm not sure if - or how far - this is relevant, but I saw an interesting factoid recently: in France, downloaded ebooks only account for about 3% of book sales. French reading culture is still about physical books, for the most part. Having said that, the Kindle became available to French customers only relatively recently so it will be interesting to see how that shakes out.</p>
<p>I'm a Brit but I've spent a fair amount of time in France in the last 2 years and it's interesting to me just…</p>
<p>I'm not sure if - or how far - this is relevant, but I saw an interesting factoid recently: in France, downloaded ebooks only account for about 3% of book sales. French reading culture is still about physical books, for the most part. Having said that, the Kindle became available to French customers only relatively recently so it will be interesting to see how that shakes out.</p>
<p>I'm a Brit but I've spent a fair amount of time in France in the last 2 years and it's interesting to me just how much US culture looms large in France. The bookshops are full of translations of Coben, Grisham, Dan Brown etc. And the TV magazines you see in the supermarkets have their front covers dominated by Dr House, CSI, and so on. The French work hard to keep their own culture alive (they used to have quotas for foreign films being shown in French cinemas, I believe; and of course they have the Academie Francaise, which regulates the introduction of foreign words into the language) - but they're also very receptive to US, UK and German imports.</p>
<p>I would say that whatever their cultural policy is, it's probably working for them - a good mix of home-grown and foreign influence. Of course, the French are fiercely patriotic.</p>
<p>While in the UK, we're just America's bitch! (Pardon the phrase)</p> True, John but (for better or…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-14:537324:Comment:3604802012-11-14T04:05:22.511ZEric Christophersonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/datahog
<p>True, John but (for better or worse) we are not our grandparents.</p>
<p>True, John but (for better or worse) we are not our grandparents.</p> Ironically, PBS is my access…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-13:537324:Comment:3604262012-11-13T18:38:31.041ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Ironically, PBS is my access to British Broadcasting.</p>
<p>Ironically, PBS is my access to British Broadcasting.</p> I hope you're right, Banjamin…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-13:537324:Comment:3605492012-11-13T18:04:40.916ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>I hope you're right, Banjamin, but American creatives tolerated an awful lot during the blacklists of the 50s and the production code era.</p>
<p>I hope you're right, Banjamin, but American creatives tolerated an awful lot during the blacklists of the 50s and the production code era.</p> In most places (certainly in…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-13:537324:Comment:3604252012-11-13T18:03:00.681ZJohn McFetridgehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnMcF
<p>In most places (certainly in Canada) the idea isn't to restrict access to anything through price controls but to ensure that domestic products have equal (or even just) access to the marketplace.</p>
<p>Technology is having a big effect because the marketplace isn't as finite. Bookstores only had so much shelf space and movie theatres only so many screens so a lot of places felt the need to save some of that space for domestic culture, so to speak.</p>
<p>There is some of this kind of thing…</p>
<p>In most places (certainly in Canada) the idea isn't to restrict access to anything through price controls but to ensure that domestic products have equal (or even just) access to the marketplace.</p>
<p>Technology is having a big effect because the marketplace isn't as finite. Bookstores only had so much shelf space and movie theatres only so many screens so a lot of places felt the need to save some of that space for domestic culture, so to speak.</p>
<p>There is some of this kind of thing in the US with the NEA and PBS and lots of private grants like the McArthur. It's just a difference in scale because the dominant culture in the US is, of course, American. But as that culture becomes less homogenous lots of things will change. And yeah, it'll shake out.</p>
<p>Sometimes in the rest of the world we wonder if Americans know how involved their culture (and their coprorations) are in other countries.</p>
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<p> </p> Well, ultimately it may all s…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2012-11-13:537324:Comment:3604232012-11-13T15:28:23.876ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
<p>Well, ultimately it may all shake out. Those who hope to make it by publishing crap will get tired when their sales don't hold (no repeat customers), and that will leave the true bestsellers and the good midlist authors, the latter barely making a buck but that is nothing new).</p>
<p>Well, ultimately it may all shake out. Those who hope to make it by publishing crap will get tired when their sales don't hold (no repeat customers), and that will leave the true bestsellers and the good midlist authors, the latter barely making a buck but that is nothing new).</p>