Ridiculous plots - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T09:11:14Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/ridiculous-plots?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A241148&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWell, there's sloppy and then…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-20:537324:Comment:2425722010-07-20T13:49:07.125ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
Well, there's sloppy and then there's unbelievable. Most thrillers have unbelievable plots without being sloppy.
Well, there's sloppy and then there's unbelievable. Most thrillers have unbelievable plots without being sloppy. Plotting certainly matters. I…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-20:537324:Comment:2425122010-07-20T04:31:44.962ZTL Pouliothttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/TLPouliot
Plotting certainly matters. If the book puts the main emphasis on character or humor then the plot can be flimsy; likewise, fine writing can hide or make irrelevant (willing suspension of disbelief) plot holes. But in the main, plotting is a required skill as much as dialogue and character development. A sloppy plot is, for the most part, sloppy writing.
Plotting certainly matters. If the book puts the main emphasis on character or humor then the plot can be flimsy; likewise, fine writing can hide or make irrelevant (willing suspension of disbelief) plot holes. But in the main, plotting is a required skill as much as dialogue and character development. A sloppy plot is, for the most part, sloppy writing. Benoit I was referring to Vic…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-17:537324:Comment:2421182010-07-17T10:24:58.815ZGaile Hugheshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/GaileHughes
Benoit I was referring to Vic's post below - quote<br />
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Reply by Vic on July 10, 2010 at 3:34pm<br />
as it's an aussie site and our sense of the ironic is legendary, I do have to ask Benoit - are you taking the piss or are you serious? I'm tipping your an aussie, right?<br />
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Benoit I was referring to Vic's post below - quote<br />
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Reply by Vic on July 10, 2010 at 3:34pm<br />
as it's an aussie site and our sense of the ironic is legendary, I do have to ask Benoit - are you taking the piss or are you serious? I'm tipping your an aussie, right?<br />
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unquote Benoit AKoa said:
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Benoit AKoa said:<br />
>>>... I have nothing against Mr. Brown. He is an excellent author. I also think his marketing and PR is what makes him even better...<<<<br />
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Marketing and PR put him out there, word of mouth sold even more books.<br />
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Benoit AKoa said:<br />
>>>... I have nothing against Mr. Brown. He is an excellent author. I also think his marketing and PR is what makes him even better...<<<<br />
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Marketing and PR put him out there, word of mouth sold even more books.<br />
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Jack Bludis Gaile what do you mean?
Benoi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-16:537324:Comment:2419542010-07-16T09:53:17.902ZBenoit AKoahttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BenoitAKoa
Gaile what do you mean?<br />
<b>Benoit, I have to agree with Vic on this, you are taking the piss aren't you?</b><br />
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You lost me. I have nothing against Mr. Brown. He is an excellent author. I also think his marketing and PR is what makes him even better.
Gaile what do you mean?<br />
<b>Benoit, I have to agree with Vic on this, you are taking the piss aren't you?</b><br />
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You lost me. I have nothing against Mr. Brown. He is an excellent author. I also think his marketing and PR is what makes him even better. Benoit, I have to agree with…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-16:537324:Comment:2419512010-07-16T08:38:30.786ZGaile Hugheshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/GaileHughes
Benoit, I have to agree with Vic on this, you are taking the piss aren't you? Mind you, I've heard similar in Sydney's Hyde Park during the 1960’s. The very same place where in 1874 in the hustings and hanging grounds or Speakers Corner, free speech was banned following a serious riot between Catholics and Orangemen. However following the formalisation of free speech in Speakers' Corner in London it was decided in 1878 that The Domain would be the place for free speech in Sydney.<br />
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Now back to…
Benoit, I have to agree with Vic on this, you are taking the piss aren't you? Mind you, I've heard similar in Sydney's Hyde Park during the 1960’s. The very same place where in 1874 in the hustings and hanging grounds or Speakers Corner, free speech was banned following a serious riot between Catholics and Orangemen. However following the formalisation of free speech in Speakers' Corner in London it was decided in 1878 that The Domain would be the place for free speech in Sydney.<br />
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Now back to the discussion at hand, I enjoyed reading Brown’s Da Vinci Code, think his other books were either over/underdone. I’m with you Camille – it was a great yarn. Isn’t that what we’d all like to achieve? I enjoyed the hell out of tha…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-13:537324:Comment:2415722010-07-13T06:53:11.026ZEric Christophersonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/datahog
I enjoyed the hell out of that book too.
I enjoyed the hell out of that book too. In DeMille's Gold Coast, you…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-13:537324:Comment:2415582010-07-13T02:06:18.647ZGaile Hugheshttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/GaileHughes
In DeMille's Gold Coast, you have a nutty but nice John Sutter, a vacant and silly Susan and a Mafia Boss who moves in next door on America's Gold coast. What follows is the silliest plot/murder story imaginable, however the characters, the humour, the sheer genius of DeMille's writing makes it all seem plausible. The sequal, whilst not quite as page turning is enjoyable.<br />
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I feel that even if the plot is ridiculous, if the author is a great creator of the 'craft' then the plot can be irrelevant.
In DeMille's Gold Coast, you have a nutty but nice John Sutter, a vacant and silly Susan and a Mafia Boss who moves in next door on America's Gold coast. What follows is the silliest plot/murder story imaginable, however the characters, the humour, the sheer genius of DeMille's writing makes it all seem plausible. The sequal, whilst not quite as page turning is enjoyable.<br />
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I feel that even if the plot is ridiculous, if the author is a great creator of the 'craft' then the plot can be irrelevant. Our willingness to be taken t…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-12:537324:Comment:2415272010-07-12T22:47:17.405ZVichttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Vic
Our willingness to be taken to somewhere else is a fundamental element of "entertainment" I think. I'm not sure that a writer can force us there if we have a pet hate (like those cat detectives - all puns intended!) but engaging writing helps. What engages? All of the elements previously mentioned in varying degrees; storyline, characters, dialogue, setting, language etc probably depending on our personalities, experiences, views, curiosity, loves etc - a very subjective thing. One skill I…
Our willingness to be taken to somewhere else is a fundamental element of "entertainment" I think. I'm not sure that a writer can force us there if we have a pet hate (like those cat detectives - all puns intended!) but engaging writing helps. What engages? All of the elements previously mentioned in varying degrees; storyline, characters, dialogue, setting, language etc probably depending on our personalities, experiences, views, curiosity, loves etc - a very subjective thing. One skill I suspect is tapping into the Zeitgeist two years before it's a movement and luck is somehow creating something that actually flicks that switch in enough people for four print runs:) Yes and no. The 17th c. is th…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2010-07-12:537324:Comment:2415092010-07-12T18:45:45.973ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
Yes and no. The 17th c. is the century of Oliver Cromwell. The Roundheads were strictly Protestant. But Catholics had subsisted for several centuries already, without many rights and far from political power. Many were highly respected people. John Donne was born Catholic but became Anglican in hopes of preferment. It wasn't until the 18th century that bias against Catholics eased somewhat in England, possibly because during the Enlightenment people redesigned God and put him firmly in his…
Yes and no. The 17th c. is the century of Oliver Cromwell. The Roundheads were strictly Protestant. But Catholics had subsisted for several centuries already, without many rights and far from political power. Many were highly respected people. John Donne was born Catholic but became Anglican in hopes of preferment. It wasn't until the 18th century that bias against Catholics eased somewhat in England, possibly because during the Enlightenment people redesigned God and put him firmly in his place.