SCRIB'D: - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T07:43:05Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/scribd-1?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A184764&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBack on track, the Kindle is…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-25:537324:Comment:1847642009-02-25T06:02:10.717ZBobhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
Back on track, the Kindle is the iPod of the book world, and Sony also has a book reader. This tech will grow quickly as will electronic versions of books to feed the new devices. Once electronic versions are available, the upload and download for free sites like Scrib'd will florish. Since the overhead on e-books is all prep (editing and e-covers) the cost to produce a book will be the only cost since server space and bandwidth are so cheap. This will drive the sell price down, the royalties…
Back on track, the Kindle is the iPod of the book world, and Sony also has a book reader. This tech will grow quickly as will electronic versions of books to feed the new devices. Once electronic versions are available, the upload and download for free sites like Scrib'd will florish. Since the overhead on e-books is all prep (editing and e-covers) the cost to produce a book will be the only cost since server space and bandwidth are so cheap. This will drive the sell price down, the royalties down and the production of paper copies down. This is inevitable, since the industry has actually encouraged e-books. Unfortunate but true. The music and movie industries are the examples. I am a realist and it will impact my business, but there are always new things to do and sell. That's what writers will be saying in the near future.<br />
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And yes allowing a free read is a great promotion tool. But if 200 top selling authors each put one free book a year on the internet, you have 200 free top selling books to read free. Since the average reader reads 50 books a year, there will be no reason to buy a book ever. Just read all the promo's and keep adding the new ones to your list of hundreds yet to read.<br />
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Discouraging it is, my young ones.<br />
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Bob You're just pulling that out…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-25:537324:Comment:1847152009-02-25T01:23:05.864ZJohn Dishonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/whiteskwirl
You're just pulling that out of thin air. How can you possibly know that e-books are going to lower to 99 cents each and what makes you so sure that e-books equals doom? Any actual evidence for that?<br />
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Also, it should be noted that you have a conflict of interest here. Since you run a bookstore of course you don't want e-books to succeed. So it makes sense that you would say anything to make people think the sky is falling, that e-books are bad news. That may not be your intention, but without…
You're just pulling that out of thin air. How can you possibly know that e-books are going to lower to 99 cents each and what makes you so sure that e-books equals doom? Any actual evidence for that?<br />
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Also, it should be noted that you have a conflict of interest here. Since you run a bookstore of course you don't want e-books to succeed. So it makes sense that you would say anything to make people think the sky is falling, that e-books are bad news. That may not be your intention, but without any evidence to support your claims, that's what I'm inclined to believe. That's so true, but when I vi…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-25:537324:Comment:1847032009-02-25T00:33:25.356ZBobhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
That's so true, but when I visit the free download sites for music and the torrents where I can check the statistics, 97% of the downloaded material is bootleg top 100 performers. The other three percent consists of 2.5% old unknowns and .5% new and alternative music. I would agree to downloads (as you can find on napster now) of free artist material as promo for new artists, but I can't agree that downloading the top 40 from billboard today is good for any industry. My concern is, where music…
That's so true, but when I visit the free download sites for music and the torrents where I can check the statistics, 97% of the downloaded material is bootleg top 100 performers. The other three percent consists of 2.5% old unknowns and .5% new and alternative music. I would agree to downloads (as you can find on napster now) of free artist material as promo for new artists, but I can't agree that downloading the top 40 from billboard today is good for any industry. My concern is, where music is consumed by the public at a high rate (10-20 songs a month), books are consumered much slower (3-4 a month). If electronic infringement on music ripples over to books (I have found hundreds of free current titles in just a few minutes searching) the impact will be 5 times the magnitutde of that the music industry is experiencing. In other words...death to revenues for books...even Stephen King will look elsewhere, because at 10 cents royalty per book sold electronically, he would make $300,000 per book. And the first timer who gets $10,000 to $25,000 will be down to $0 on 20,000 books sold and 10 cents a download after the first 20,000. People have to open their eyes to the reality that making electronic versions of books available is a forebearer of doom. Oh 10 cent royalty...yup, because in electronic form, the price competion will drive e-book prices to the 99 cent level...of which costs are 80 cents and the author and publisher/site provider split the remaining 20 cents.<br />
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What's worse the music industry has just caved in and has created the site Qtrax which will have 25 million songs available for legal download free. They are hoping advertising will produce the revenue. Yes EMI is part of this site. In other words, an even larger drop in revenues for the music industry has arrived.<br />
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Bob Not necessarily. The library…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-25:537324:Comment:1846972009-02-25T00:20:12.964ZBarbara Fisterhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bfister
Not necessarily. The library may order more copies. Or the next person to place a hold may say "gee whiz, there are 63 people ahead of me. I think I'll go buy the darned thing." Which honestly, I'd prefer because then the library could use the money to buy a wider range of books to sample that don't have lots of readers guaranteed. And probably the bestseller is going to be on discount at Costco, anyway. (I'm guessing - I've never actually been inside a Costco.)
Not necessarily. The library may order more copies. Or the next person to place a hold may say "gee whiz, there are 63 people ahead of me. I think I'll go buy the darned thing." Which honestly, I'd prefer because then the library could use the money to buy a wider range of books to sample that don't have lots of readers guaranteed. And probably the bestseller is going to be on discount at Costco, anyway. (I'm guessing - I've never actually been inside a Costco.) Actually, you're probably bot…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-24:537324:Comment:1846852009-02-24T22:04:57.604ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
Actually, you're probably both right. I'm thinking of books and libraries here. For a relatively unknown author, having his books in the library where people can sample freely is a great advantage. But once he becomes known and people know he has a new book coming out, every person who puts their name on the hold list is a lost sale.<br />
So yes, there is great promotional value in giving things away for free, but you surely can't run a business doing this forever.
Actually, you're probably both right. I'm thinking of books and libraries here. For a relatively unknown author, having his books in the library where people can sample freely is a great advantage. But once he becomes known and people know he has a new book coming out, every person who puts their name on the hold list is a lost sale.<br />
So yes, there is great promotional value in giving things away for free, but you surely can't run a business doing this forever. LOL, John your back to a deba…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-24:537324:Comment:1846582009-02-24T20:27:53.609ZBobhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
LOL, John your back to a debate.<br />
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The industry total sales are down 20%. Look at the billboard top 100 and every artist there has lost 20% of their sales or more. That's what the numbers mean, not one but all. If total sales are down, individual profits can't be up. I have been associated with the music industry since the late 60's, was in a few bands (none successful...lol), produced a few records, toured, etc. Friends from long ago who are top name artists all agree the tours suck, but they…
LOL, John your back to a debate.<br />
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The industry total sales are down 20%. Look at the billboard top 100 and every artist there has lost 20% of their sales or more. That's what the numbers mean, not one but all. If total sales are down, individual profits can't be up. I have been associated with the music industry since the late 60's, was in a few bands (none successful...lol), produced a few records, toured, etc. Friends from long ago who are top name artists all agree the tours suck, but they are a neccesary evil to promote record/cd sales. The people who make money from tours are the tour venues, the promoters, the crew/roadies. The artists do make money, but nothing compared to royalties.<br />
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Bob All that article says is that…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-24:537324:Comment:1846522009-02-24T20:06:30.468ZJohn Dishonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/whiteskwirl
All that article says is that music stores' sales are down. It doesn't provide any evidence that file sharing is responsible. In fact file sharing is only mentioned briefly. Is file sharing responsible for the reduced sale? Maybe. But that article is not evidence of that. And it definitely isn't evidence that artists were hurt at all, only music stores. But I was talking about file sharing perhaps being beneficial to artists.<br />
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What if CD sales are down, but overall profits (for artists) are up?…
All that article says is that music stores' sales are down. It doesn't provide any evidence that file sharing is responsible. In fact file sharing is only mentioned briefly. Is file sharing responsible for the reduced sale? Maybe. But that article is not evidence of that. And it definitely isn't evidence that artists were hurt at all, only music stores. But I was talking about file sharing perhaps being beneficial to artists.<br />
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What if CD sales are down, but overall profits (for artists) are up? Musicians make more money from touring than album sales, always have.<br />
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Thousands of artists are suffering...yet you can't name me one. LOL, that's more than ten yea…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-24:537324:Comment:1846502009-02-24T19:57:31.781ZBobhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
LOL, that's more than ten years. It's for discussions. We were approaching debate.<br />
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Just an fyi cut from <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117444575607043728-oEugjUqEtTo1hWJawejgR3LjRAw_20080320.html">http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117444575607043728-oEugjUqEt...</a> which is a slow site.<br />
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By Etahn Smith....<br />
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In a dramatic acceleration of the seven-year sales decline that has battered the music industry, compact-disc sales for the first three months of this year plunged…
LOL, that's more than ten years. It's for discussions. We were approaching debate.<br />
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Just an fyi cut from <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117444575607043728-oEugjUqEtTo1hWJawejgR3LjRAw_20080320.html">http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117444575607043728-oEugjUqEt...</a> which is a slow site.<br />
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By Etahn Smith....<br />
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In a dramatic acceleration of the seven-year sales decline that has battered the music industry, compact-disc sales for the first three months of this year plunged 20% from a year earlier, the latest sign of the seismic shift in the way consumers acquire music.<br />
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The sharp slide in sales of CDs, which still account for more than 85% of music sold, has far eclipsed the growth in sales of digital downloads, which were supposed to have been the industry's salvation.<br />
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The slide stems from the confluence of long-simmering factors that are now feeding off each other, including the demise of specialty music retailers like longtime music mecca Tower Records. About 800 music stores, including Tower's 89 locations, closed in 2006 alone.<br />
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Apple Inc.'s sale of around 100 million iPods shows that music remains a powerful force in the lives of consumers. But because of the Internet, those consumers have more ways to obtain music now than they did a decade ago, when walking into a store and buying it was the only option.<br />
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Today, popular songs and albums -- and countless lesser-known works -- can be easily found online, in either legal or pirated forms. While the music industry hopes that those songs will be purchased through legal services like Apple's iTunes Store, consumers can often listen to them on MySpace pages or download them free from other sources, such as so-called MP3 blogs. ....<br />
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Yes, the entire industry is hurting...3 exceptions and thousands of artists suffering.<br />
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Bob A forum isn't the correct pla…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-24:537324:Comment:1846482009-02-24T19:47:23.365ZJohn Dishonhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/whiteskwirl
A forum isn't the correct place for a debate? Also, what you say I do not believe is true, and without some supporting evidence, I won't. If you can't debate me, that's fine, but I encourage you if you really care about this issue to look into it on your own and come to your own conclusions and don't just accept what the RIAA and MPAA say, because they never reveal how they got their numbers, so why accept what they say at face value? Read the articles I linked to for a start if you want.<br />
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A forum isn't the correct place for a debate? Also, what you say I do not believe is true, and without some supporting evidence, I won't. If you can't debate me, that's fine, but I encourage you if you really care about this issue to look into it on your own and come to your own conclusions and don't just accept what the RIAA and MPAA say, because they never reveal how they got their numbers, so why accept what they say at face value? Read the articles I linked to for a start if you want.<br />
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oh, by the way, my car is a 1992 Mercury Sable wagon and it runs great. This isn't the correct place…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-02-24:537324:Comment:1846462009-02-24T19:39:11.241ZBobhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Bob24
This isn't the correct place for a debate. If it weren't for the boost American Idol gave the record industry, the industry total sales would be in the pits. The movie industry is still hurting, and without the popularity of the comic book movie, they would be devastated. Look at the total gross numbers, sales by industry numbers. Everyone in these industries is hurting. The finger always points to piracy and free /cheap offerings. The book industry is just starting to get hit with the same…
This isn't the correct place for a debate. If it weren't for the boost American Idol gave the record industry, the industry total sales would be in the pits. The movie industry is still hurting, and without the popularity of the comic book movie, they would be devastated. Look at the total gross numbers, sales by industry numbers. Everyone in these industries is hurting. The finger always points to piracy and free /cheap offerings. The book industry is just starting to get hit with the same quandry.<br />
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In the long term it will suffer, but people want their profits now and don't care what happens in ten years. Well ten years roll around pretty fast. Look at the car in your driveway.<br />
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