With fans like these, who needs enemies? - CrimeSpace2024-03-29T14:03:48Zhttps://crimespace.ning.com/forum/topics/with-fans-like-these-who-needs?commentId=537324%3AComment%3A220943&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for the reminder of Si…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-12-01:537324:Comment:2213062009-12-01T17:24:53.970ZJulie Lomoehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/julielomoe
Thanks for the reminder of SinC's mission, and the fact that it's for writrs, not fans. But I'm convinced the definition of "professional" is changing. Both organizations are clinging to the old ways, but the times, they are a-changin', as Dylan would say.<br />
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Tomorrow I'm taking Amtrak down to New York City for the MWA chapter's Christmas gala - great hors' d'oeuvres and an open bar in an opulent setting. A good reason to belong. As for SinC, I'm not sure what they have to offer me at this point…
Thanks for the reminder of SinC's mission, and the fact that it's for writrs, not fans. But I'm convinced the definition of "professional" is changing. Both organizations are clinging to the old ways, but the times, they are a-changin', as Dylan would say.<br />
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Tomorrow I'm taking Amtrak down to New York City for the MWA chapter's Christmas gala - great hors' d'oeuvres and an open bar in an opulent setting. A good reason to belong. As for SinC, I'm not sure what they have to offer me at this point - not sure I'll renew.<br />
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<a href="http://julielomoe.wordpress.com" target="_blank">Julie Lomoe's Musings Mysterioso</a> Because your taste in mysteri…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-29:537324:Comment:2210982009-11-29T23:25:00.183ZSuzannehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/dmbdenmother
Because your taste in mysteries and mine are similar, I bought the first of your books from Amazon. It's waiting on my TBR stack. Cheers.
Because your taste in mysteries and mine are similar, I bought the first of your books from Amazon. It's waiting on my TBR stack. Cheers. I couldn't have said it bette…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-29:537324:Comment:2210952009-11-29T22:58:21.747ZJulie Lomoehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/julielomoe
I couldn't have said it better myself, Edward. And I think the "new games in town" will be a lot more fun than the ones traditional publishers cling to.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Edward. And I think the "new games in town" will be a lot more fun than the ones traditional publishers cling to. My publisher makes money sell…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-29:537324:Comment:2210942009-11-29T22:56:43.858ZJulie Lomoehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/julielomoe
My publisher makes money selling my books. It's true I paid some upfront costs, but these were extremely modest - I couldn't have done it that cheaply myself.<br />
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Re: MWA, you're wrong - they have different categories of members. "Active" members are those published by companies on their approved list, but they accept others as members as well.
My publisher makes money selling my books. It's true I paid some upfront costs, but these were extremely modest - I couldn't have done it that cheaply myself.<br />
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Re: MWA, you're wrong - they have different categories of members. "Active" members are those published by companies on their approved list, but they accept others as members as well. Well, in most professions, ma…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-28:537324:Comment:2210562009-11-28T23:53:59.914ZEdward G. Talbothttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/EdwardGTalbot
Well, in most professions, making money is what defines you as a professional, not who pays you. As for "charging authors", a truly self published book using say CreateSpace or LSI only involves only nominal up front costs (with CreateSpace it's the cost of printing and shipping one proof to you). self-publishing is probably a cheaper business to start than at least 95% of the businesses out there.<br />
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Now, that said, I do understand why organizations like MWA and others have some restrictions. I…
Well, in most professions, making money is what defines you as a professional, not who pays you. As for "charging authors", a truly self published book using say CreateSpace or LSI only involves only nominal up front costs (with CreateSpace it's the cost of printing and shipping one proof to you). self-publishing is probably a cheaper business to start than at least 95% of the businesses out there.<br />
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Now, that said, I do understand why organizations like MWA and others have some restrictions. I tend to think they are clinging to the past, though. As time goes by, the traditional pieces of the publishing model will continue to be very important and relevant, but they will no longer be the only game in town. Sisters in crime is not a fan…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-28:537324:Comment:2210182009-11-28T13:57:50.259ZJ. E. Seymourhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JESeymour
Sisters in crime is not a fan organization. Their mission - from their website:<br />
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"To promote the professional development and advancement of women crime writers to achieve equality in the industry."<br />
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I don't think they're looking for fans to join, although I'm sure they're welcome. I think it's meant more as a writers organization.<br />
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"I still belong to both MWA and SinC but I'm not sure they do me any good. Major problem is that they discriminate against self-published writers and those whose…
Sisters in crime is not a fan organization. Their mission - from their website:<br />
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"To promote the professional development and advancement of women crime writers to achieve equality in the industry."<br />
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I don't think they're looking for fans to join, although I'm sure they're welcome. I think it's meant more as a writers organization.<br />
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"I still belong to both MWA and SinC but I'm not sure they do me any good. Major problem is that they discriminate against self-published writers and those whose publishers don't make their "approved" lists."<br />
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I think it's very clear with both organizations that self-publishing and vanity publishing is not the same as being paid for your writing. Professional writers don't pay to be published.<br />
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"What do mystery fans really want? Right now I view them as vampires, but without the glamour."<br />
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In my personal opinion mystery fans want good stories, well told and well written. Nothing more, nothing less.<br />
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<a href="http://jeseymour.com" target="_blank">http://jeseymour.com</a> I dont see the rules regardin…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-28:537324:Comment:2210122009-11-28T08:36:09.497ZBurl Barerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BurlBarer
I dont see the rules regarding "self-printing" and "vanity presses" as a problem, major or minor.<br />
MWA is for professional Mystery Writers, and what makes you a professional is that you are paid and published by a publisher who makes money selling books to readers, not by charging authors.
I dont see the rules regarding "self-printing" and "vanity presses" as a problem, major or minor.<br />
MWA is for professional Mystery Writers, and what makes you a professional is that you are paid and published by a publisher who makes money selling books to readers, not by charging authors. My husband hasn't read either…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-26:537324:Comment:2209432009-11-26T23:42:47.430ZJulie Lomoehttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/julielomoe
My husband hasn't read either of mine all the way through either, though he's read and heard enough to think that he has.
My husband hasn't read either of mine all the way through either, though he's read and heard enough to think that he has. I've got children as well who…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-24:537324:Comment:2208302009-11-24T22:52:47.933ZB.R.Statehamhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/BRStateham
I've got children as well who haven't read a thing I'v published. It must be a curse.
I've got children as well who haven't read a thing I'v published. It must be a curse. LOL. Yes, indeed. And then on…tag:crimespace.ning.com,2009-11-24:537324:Comment:2208222009-11-24T22:13:14.339ZI. J. Parkerhttps://crimespace.ning.com/profile/Ingpark
LOL. Yes, indeed. And then one simmers with resentment for a while. You're not alone. I have best friends who get my books from the library and a daughter who hasn't read them.
LOL. Yes, indeed. And then one simmers with resentment for a while. You're not alone. I have best friends who get my books from the library and a daughter who hasn't read them.